js1000 Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 tzorvas will continue his career in serie a with palermo after signing a 2 year contract. pao are reportedly going to receive 600k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euro2004 Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 Tzorvas is already under pressure at Palermo having made a big mistake against Atalanta as Palermo lost 1-0. He was beaten way too easily at his near post and the Italian media has called him the weak link of the team. Palermo have jumped to his defence saying "everyone makes mistakes". Personally I can't see his stay there being a success. In a league renowned for producing world class keepers Tzorvas is simply out of his depth, however this is a bit premature isn't it? :blink: I mean he's played 2 games! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irlandos Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 How could Palermo sign Tzorvas after his horrendous performance against Odense? :huh: You would think a club scouts potential players before signing them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
js1000 Posted September 21, 2011 Author Share Posted September 21, 2011 Personally I can't see his stay there being a success. In a league renowned for producing world class keepers Tzorvas is simply out of his depth, however this is a bit premature isn't it? :blink: I mean he's played 2 games! to be honest with you mate i thought he was out of his depth at PAO. i've never rated tzorvas however i really hope he gets it together and proves me wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euro2004 Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 Yeah. To be honest I've never really thought highly of him because he seemed to have a problem with dealing with high balls. In the last year or so his fairly solid ground game seems to have deteriorated too! Sifakis is def the better of the 2 and if I was Greece manager i'd have Chiotis and Eleftheropoulos above him in the pecking order too. Hopefully he learns a thing or too in Italy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pao123 Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 after playing in the "super"league for so long I can imagine it would be extremely difficult to adapt immediately to a much better and more competitive league as serie a..lets not forgot tzorva is 29, hes not so young to be able to adapt and learn more quickly. despite this i think he will do well in italy, not great, but well enough to retain the starting position at a club like palermo, that will probably finish mid-table. he has some serious negatives, but also some good positives that will become evident probably once he gets more settled in. its always difficult for a player to change leagues and adapt, i think its wrong of the italians to get at his throat so soon. he still has an opportunity to grow, he is 29 and fortunately for a keeper that is still not a bad age considering they can play well into their 30s. many keepers are like wines, getting better with age.. hopefully he can improve in italy on what euro has pointed out. personally tho, i dont think tzorva is any worst then elefteropoulo or chioti although they have the edge on him experience wise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GS1905 Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 I hope he is not back in Ergotelis or Xanthi in January.. :huh: Hardly impressed me so far.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euro2004 Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 pao123 you're right that players need time to attack but he's a goalkeeper and usually goalkeepers only really struggle to adapt when the style of play is completely different. That is to say, if a Spanish or Italian keeper moves to the Prem he might struggle to adapt to the constant aerial balls into his box. However moving from Italy to Spain isn't such a big culture clash, it's simply a step up in class. The goal he was criticised for was because he was beaten at his near post with a low drive. Of course criticism is premature, but there's no excuse for that at any level in any league. The difference is simply that he'll be under more pressure to perform now so I think he'll be found out. I really hope he makes it but I just don't think he's good enough. Chiotis is better in my opinion because despite being small and also having some issues with aerial balls, he's a match winner. He has numerous inspired games every season where he wins the match for APOEL. Eleftheropoulos' edge may very well be because he's more experienced, but his career has been one long failure really so I would hope Tzorvas does better. @GS, worst case scenario he returns to PAO, he won't drop to Ergotelis level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pao123 Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 pace of play also makes a big difference and adds to adapting difficulties. even for keepers..the fact that he got beaten near post, through the legs also has to do with anticipation, which is more difficult in a faster pace league. for instance, in greece most striker need to take the extra step to set their form before they release their shot, allowing keepers the extra second to position themselves better and better anticipate the strike and its direction. where as in serie a, alot of striker are quality enough to release the ball mid stride or unexpectedly, something we rarely see in players on mid/low level clubs, but something that is very important in finishing plays in more quality leagues. its just an example, not to say denis' shot was all too difficult to stop but denis, who scored the goal for atalanta, is a striker that would probably start on aek and paok and probably even for olympiakos and pao. you are also right about the pressure aspect, facing a club like inter or even atalanta or cagliari is more competitive than lets say facing a mid to low level greek league club..i think that once he finds his feet and gets used to the pace of play at this level, his reflexes and anticipation will improve and he will be a relative success in the league...this may all be wishful thinking though. the pressures of playing for a serie a club are high and as we all know, patience is not the name of the game in football anymore. people want to see immediate results and if they are not performed, facing the axe is very likely.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euro2004 Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 you make some excellent points. Hopefully he's a success but i just don't think he's good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pao123 Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 he actually did very well today really helping palermo keep a clean sheet and a draw against lazio. made some very impressive saves, especially one of cisse's strikes late in the match.. lets hope he keeps it up to this standard... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akritis_1944 Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 he actually did very well today really helping palermo keep a clean sheet and a draw against lazio. made some very impressive saves, especially one of cisse's strikes late in the match.. lets hope he keeps it up to this standard... Yes I am glad he played well as he got some negative criticism in his last match.Also he is 99% likely to be the starting GK against Croatia unless Santos pull a surprise with Chiotis so It is good he has some form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euro2004 Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 Yeah good to see him enter some form in the build up to the Croatia game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GS1905 Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 pace of play also makes a big difference and adds to adapting difficulties. even for keepers..the fact that he got beaten near post, through the legs also has to do with anticipation, which is more difficult in a faster pace league. for instance, in greece most striker need to take the extra step to set their form before they release their shot, allowing keepers the extra second to position themselves better and better anticipate the strike and its direction. where as in serie a, alot of striker are quality enough to release the ball mid stride or unexpectedly, something we rarely see in players on mid/low level clubs, but something that is very important in finishing plays in more quality leagues. its just an example, not to say denis' shot was all too difficult to stop but denis, who scored the goal for atalanta, is a striker that would probably start on aek and paok and probably even for olympiakos and pao. you are also right about the pressure aspect, facing a club like inter or even atalanta or cagliari is more competitive than lets say facing a mid to low level greek league club..i think that once he finds his feet and gets used to the pace of play at this level, his reflexes and anticipation will improve and he will be a relative success in the league...this may all be wishful thinking though. the pressures of playing for a serie a club are high and as we all know, patience is not the name of the game in football anymore. people want to see immediate results and if they are not performed, facing the axe is very likely.. This post could be the most informative and didactic post in these Forums!! ever!!Great post!! :nw: :nw: :nw: When you flip the coin, it also gives us some thought on why some strikers are only very successful in specific leagues, i feel.. Why was Shevchenko a disaster in England? Was it merely a loss of form, or a change of system, or that the EPL came a touch too fast for him after years in Italy? Why was Sergiy Rebrov a disaster in England? solely because he didn't possess the ability to adapt to a different lifestyle? or again EPL, being too fast for him, thus affecting his number of touches before a strike? Even if he was much more successful compared to those two strikers' abroad stints, why did Nuno Gomes's goal per game ratio fell from 0.76 in Portugal with Benfica to 0.43 in Italy with ACF Fiorentina? Style of play, number of adjusting touches?? Examples can be multiplied... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
js1000 Posted November 27, 2011 Author Share Posted November 27, 2011 tzorvas was dropped today for palermo's 2-0 win over fiorentina, can't say i'm surprised i expect thats the last we'll see of him for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pao123 Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 palermo signed viviano for inter, putting tzorva further down the pecking order...he has stated that he will not leave the club after being linked with lecce, atalanta and catania. however, since his last start in palermo 3-0 loss to juventus, the club have registered 1 win, 2 draws and 5 losses. :blink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
js1000 Posted August 21, 2012 Author Share Posted August 21, 2012 tzorvas has signed for genoa. he'll spend the season as back up to sebastian frey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAO-1908 Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 (edited) Tzorvas is the new Eleftheropoulos. he is is finished and will end up in Greece with some is bottom feeder team. He is awful, he should find a new profession. Edited August 26, 2012 by PAO-1908 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pao123 Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 played his first game for genoa of the season and conceded 3 goals. one of which was a huge blunder from tzorvas. i think we ll be seeing him loaned to a serie b side soon...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pao123 Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 has sign for apollon smyrni this season. topic locked! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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