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You know this may be premature but I already see a potential problem for us. You know I'm very confident we will advance...the thing is we may face S. Africa in the next round. They're not a powerhouse team and we can beat them, the problem is they may still get help from the referee. Every host country in the WC advances at least to the next round...S. Africa will get help from officiating in the 1st round. But there's a good chance this will continue in the 2nd. Just look at S.Korea in 2002 and how they screwed the Italians. Its all about business for them. I don't mind France, they're not very good these days...but S. Africa we must avoid.

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You know this may be premature but I already see a potential problem for us. You know I'm very confident we will advance...the thing is we may face S. Africa in the next round. They're not a powerhouse team and we can beat them, the problem is they may still get help from the referee. Every host country in the WC advances at least to the next round...S. Africa will get help from officiating in the 1st round. But there's a good chance this will continue in the 2nd. Just look at S.Korea in 2002 and how they screwed the Italians. Its all about business for them. I don't mind France, they're not very good these days...but S. Africa we must avoid.

I am sure you're a an intelligent guy and all, but your post smacks of crazy conspiracy theories and makes you look silly.

South Africa will not be getting any help. I would be more worried about us.

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The draw is what it is. It wasn't possible to get into a group like South Africa/New Zealand/Paraguay.

People were crying into their milko about drawing Ukraine.

Let's move on....in my mind this draw is perfect for us to get some respect back.

ARG and NIG humiliated us (or did we humiliate ourselves?) in the last WC.

South Korea beat us at the 2005 Confed Cup in Germany.

Anyway...so what the team needs now is to arrange a host of friendlies against similar nations from now until June.

Look at what Korea has proposed until the WC kicks off:

January 18, 2010 Finland

January, 2010 Cameroon (tentative)

January, 2010 South Africa (tentative)

February 7, 2010 Hong Kong ---

February 10, 2010 China PR --- ( Tokyo, Japan 2010 East Asian Football Championship )

February 14, 2010 Japan (tentative)

March, 2010 United States (tentative)

April, 2010 Portugal (tentative)

April, 2010 Croatia (tentative)

May, 2010 Ghana (tentative)

May, 2010 Gabon (tentative)

June 12, 2010 Greece

They are playing 11 matches before they face us!!!

That is preparation!

What EPO needs to do is schedule the same amount of matches against like teams (skill/culture/federation). Something like this.

Teams like Argentina - i.e Chile/Uruguay/Peru/Colombia/Brazil/Mexico

Teams like Korea - i.e North Korea/Japan/China/Bahrain/Iran/Syria/Saudi Arabia

Teams like Nigeria - i.e Ghana/Cameroon/Egypt/Algeria/Ivory Coast/Tunisia

We need the preparation. The squad needs to be in camp early and yes even train at altitude.

All the teams we have are beatable. Argentina has Messi, but they are all over the place and we have the advantage of playing them last when they may have already qualified.

Nigeria is about 3rd/4th best African team and if we can't beat them then we have no right to be at the world cup. Also finally Korea will be fast and lively, but if can play our game they will be overcome. They are a decent team but we should expect a win against them.

let's hope EP/Otto and the players have their heads on come tournament time.

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This looks like WC 1994 all over again. Deja-vu with Greece screwing up again just like in all tournaments outside of Euro 2004.

I was particularily annoyed watching the draw on tape from ESPN when, as they were showing every team's accolades on the bottom of the screen, did not display Greece winning Euro 2004 yet displayed Denmark winning Euro 1992!

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akri great post boy...the illustration of koreas friendlies is exemplary of the differences between nations and how seriously they take their national team....

consistent success at this level demands teams accept a certain level of responsibility and comitment...every team in this tournament is out to knock your head off - if u come in with the "golly gee i'm just glad to be here" attitude then 1994 is what ends up happening.....in 94 the players DID NOT BELIEVE they belonged on the same field with the likes of argentina etc.....all they wanted to do is not get embarrassed - "we played well but lost" would have been fine....

experience since then, and with otto's guidance - the team has learned what it feels like to win and, more importantly what its like to to eb EXPECTED to win. I can draw analogies with the entire socialist/protectionist system that Greece has implemented foe ever - but i wont - point is they understand now what it means to be an active "above average" participant in a global soccering environment, not just a specatator that is "happy to be here"......

having said all that, korea is a perfect example of getting the most out of their ability - that in itself is a talent - they play with immense pride and dont stop comin at you until the final whistle is blown.....and their schdule of freindlies is proof positive that they respect themselves and their game and take the world cup very seriously.....the world is watching and i know they expectt o win every game they play.....we need to be very alert and ready for that first game......

we need at least six friendlies - not against high school teams but real stiff competition to get our youger guys in the chemistry of this team.....i think the experience of being in tournaments will help us avoid the disater of 94....but we really need to bring our A game every time....and, we really need to play it even when our backs are NOT up against the wall.....

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Hi everybody, sorry I haven't been posting here during Greece's victory over Ukraine to claim a World Cup spot and the draw. I was having a problem entering this website on my laptop, it may contain a virus or two. I'm not saying the website itself has a problem. It may be from my computer that's causing the problem. It's been a very busy 4 weeks for me. Work, traveling, more work. :LOL:

Alright, I personally love this draw for a few good reasons.

1. I love the fact we're playing Argentina and Nigeria again ... it's time to get some revenge like we did vs. Ukraine.

2. Techincally, all 3 of our opponents have not played quite well in there qualifying confederations. Those are good signs.

3. South Korea and Nigeria are not as good as they were 5 to 10 years ago. An old Greece team would not be able to beat them. Argentina remains to be a good side despite there recent struggles. Good thing we play them last and not first.

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I am sure you're a an intelligent guy and all, but your post smacks of crazy conspiracy theories and makes you look silly.

South Africa will not be getting any help. I would be more worried about us.

Really, did you know that uefa are currently looking into 200 matches that were apparently fixed? You think this doesn't happen in the WC? How do you explain S. Korea in 2002? Just a little mistake? Why no video monitors during the games?

Now does that mean I think everything is fixed? No certainly not but it does happen. Wake up and smell the coffee Akritis.

We need at least 8 or 9 friendlies before next summer, and it should be against the toughest opponents they can get since they need the practice to iron things out. Like Brazil. The more playing time they have together the better they will be to communicate on the field. Its as simple as that.

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Alright, I personally love this draw for a few good reasons.

1. I love the fact we're playing Argentina and Nigeria again ... it's time to get some revenge like we did vs. Ukraine.

2. Techincally, all 3 of our opponents have not played quite well in there qualifying confederations. Those are good signs.

3. South Korea and Nigeria are not as good as they were 5 to 10 years ago. An old Greece team would not be able to beat them. Argentina remains to be a good side despite there recent struggles. Good thing we play them last and not first.

GREAT POINTS

1. No such thing as revenge. These guys weren't around in 1994 and to be fair it was not their fight. The moment the Greek players start talking about revenge, is the moment I know their heads are out of it and we'll lose.

2. Very true

3. I think playing Argentina last will be our holy grail if we beat and tie Nigeria and Korea. Win the first game and things look great. Tie the second and we are in great position to advance

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Clover22 it's a great idea to play friendlies against tuf oposition to improve your squad and get ready for the world cup but do you really think excellent squads will be willing to play greece in a friendly before the world cup. I highly doubt it.

Actually, yes! Several years back Brazil tried to organize a friendly w/ Greece but it fell through. Also not long ago we played a friendly with Italy, so there you go.
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Clover22 it's a great idea to play friendlies against tuf oposition to improve your squad and get ready for the world cup but do you really think excellent squads will be willing to play greece in a friendly before the world cup. I highly doubt it.

Of course other countries will want to play Greece. New Zealand and Honduras are going to play friendlies as well you know!

If we are ranked 12th by FIFA and we are going to the World Cup then other competing nations will view us as attractive for their prep. Not every nation will get the chance to play against Spain or Brazil!

However, many of these nations may not take us seriously enough and think they can use us as a punching bag....tha doume.

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Greece's first opponent is against South Korea and here are the previous 2 friendlies between them:

Greece 0:1 (0:0) South Korea

06/02/2007 London Friendly

Greece 1:1 (1:1) South Korea

21/01/2006 Riyadh Friendly

Link to both goals

Greece has not organized any friendlies yet. Argentina is playing one in March and South Korea will play one in January and 3 in February. Nigeria will participate in the Africa Nations Cup starting in January

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Greece will be fine lads....there was a lot of negative sentiment going into the Ukraine as well...ok, we could have conceded, but we didnt...it proved that if the starting 11 put their mind to the task, they can grind out a result...

I agree with the previous posts of South Korea and Nigeria not being the same teams as maybe 4-10 years ago...

Having said that, most football analysts and betting agencies see Greece and Nigeria fighting for 2nd spot...

Hey its a world cup, anything can happen in the early rounds

lets not be too harsh and negative on the coach and players, after all we are a small nation, the pool of talent to choose from is small and the resources and grass roots programs are nowhere near that of other footballing nations...

lets remember our fathers generation and older, witnessed something they would only dream about in the 60's 70's 80's etc...

lets not get carried away, i am sure they will give it a good shake in 2010...

as arsene wenger said this morning, greek club football has improved and he also said that greece 2004 was significant and that the team has a magician on the bench...

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helen, good points...

i disagree on the premise regarding nigeria and south korea....saying they are not as good as they were and somehow superimposing that on increasing our chances is misguided...

just as our team has benefited from some success and experience in the global footballing world, so has nigeria and south korea.....i think back then we looked at those teams agaisnt the backdrop of OUR team, the results they produced and the emarassments at the 94 cup - ten / fifteen years ago the perception of difference in quality may have been much larger whereas now we feel we can compete better due to our producing better results... therefore, the statement "they are not as good" really implies "maybe we can compete better"...i agree 100% with you, yes we can compete better, but its because we ARE better - not because they are not as good....

the discussion continues to focus on other teams...."who will we get in the draw, are THEY as good as they were, etc. etc."

it should be "we are better, it dont matter who we get, we need to focus on our game and we will be fine".....progress has to come at teh expesne of others, not deferring to others....

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I totally agree....this is a very different Greek NT, under very different management with a totally different resource base...

I was reading an article some weeks ago by a journalist who travelled with team in 94. He made the point that when the team arrived in the US, they attended every possible function and dinner that they were invited to....it was a social event so to speak, qualifying was enough at the time...

15 years later, times have certainly changed..

South Korea and Nigeria I am certain, will not make up the numbers next year...

my message is simple, lets not be too harsh on players and management...the EPO is planning a 1 month program prior to the WC and good preparation...and lets be honest the Greek NT doesn't like friendlies...haha

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yip..i agree....the common thread in most of my posts is always "worry about your own game, focus on exectuting and give your maximm effort because of nothing more than a simple thing called PRIDE. For the you and for the shirt...thats it...tactic matter of course, but as a pro athlete at this level if you dont believe in your team, your skills, your ability then go home...why play? if the opponent knows your are tentative, then they just gonna grind u face first into the turf.....

the teams attitude must repsect their own game and their own ability to win every time thye get on the field....this, more than anything, is what otto has done....guided them through some success, so they understand what its like to be a winner, and what it takes to win at this level....but equaly, if not more importantly, you learn more from failures....and we have had some down times - the key is not to throw the baby off the cliff just becuase it cries alittle....this STABILITY is another of ottos big accomplshments....greek players are notorious for pointing th efinger the minute teh wheels start coming off....and when you fight through adversity, its like "yeah we can do this...." it bring you closer as a unit and trust, chemistry and unselfishness begins to become a contagious by product of that experience.

forget the bs about "ugly football" every other freakin sport applauds defense - basktball, football, hockey, even baseball...defense is less glamorous but plays a bigger role.....remember....your defense must succeed EVERY time, while your offense can sicceed once or twice out of 20 offesnsive rushes....WINNING determines who is remembered, not "playing well and losing".....success is measured with "W's".......period....

at this level. any one can beat anyone....i argue that the slovenia's and greece and other ?smaller" nations success is better for soccer than the big teams winning all the time....it makes for a better , more interesting and human story but journalists worldwide that cover these international games dont watch a team like greece every minute of every game....all they know is third and fourth hand accounts that have been heavily editorialized by one disseminator to the other.....so the common theme of "small nation, great 04, lousy thereafter, ugly football" are always menioned in any article covering greece.....

i think i heard, for the first time, one of the coaches - i think nigeria - saying "greece has shown they can compete with anyone" - that was the most flattering comment i heard so far, and it may be the chink in the armor of "ugly football, etc etc" perception........but just take a look at how long its taken for even the smallest change to be made in perception about the national team....again it gos back to results..and i argue its teh attitude, stability and taste of success that has driven adn will continue to drive the team towards good results...if we can get a couple of creative guys to give us alittle more space and create a few more dangerous offensive rushes, even better....

if we were to chart our progress since 94 i would say the tren dis definately upward......but with lots of ups and downs.....its why i think this tournament we must advance at least one round......i think its realistic to expet we can, but we need to bring our A plus game against korea and score at least a 2-0 win.....

but these recent points are well made and make sense.....

thanks for induging me as i know my posts get ahead of themselves....its just all related, nothing happens in a vacccuum....

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Big cash up for grabs!

Prize money and club payments

The total prize money on offer for the tournament was confirmed by FIFA as $420 million, a 60 per cent increase on the 2006 tournament.[3] Before the tournament, each participating team would receive $1 million, for preparation costs. Once at the tournament, teams exiting at the group stage would receive $8 million. Thereafter, the prize money would be distributed as follows:[3]

$9 million - Round of 16

$18 million - Quarter-finals

$20 million - Semi-finals

$24 million - Runners up

$30 million - Winners

In a first for the World Cup, there would also be payments made by FIFA to the domestic clubs of the players representing their national teams at the tournament. This would see a total of ?26 million being paid to domestic clubs, amounting to just over ?1,000 per player per day. [2] This arrangement followed claims for compensation to FIFA from domestic clubs for the financial cost of injuries sustained to their players while on international duty, such as that from Belgian club Charleroi S.C. for injury to Morroco's Abdelmajid Oulmers in a friendly game in 2004, and from English club Newcastle United for an injury to England's Michael Owen in the 2006 World Cup.[4]

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I don't think clubs have a right to ask for compensation when their players get injured on international duty. Clubs know the risks involved when they buy international level players. If you aren't willing to take that risk then don't buy players who are eligible or good enough to play at international level!

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I agree. This move only makes strong clubs stronger and weak clubs weaker because yes, most players come from their countries' top clubs ...

Also, how does a small country with a star cope financially with any form of compensation? If Kaladze gets injured for instance how does that Georgian FA deal with the financial ramifications?
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I don't think clubs have a right to ask for compensation when their players get injured on international duty. Clubs know the risks involved when they buy international level players. If you aren't willing to take that risk then don't buy players who are eligible or good enough to play at international level!

Agreed 100%.

For one, its the players CHOICE to play international matches. Clubs have to respect that if they get a player who wants to play internationally, the can accept the risk.

They absolutley have no right to blame coaches, countries, national teams for injury of their players. An injury can happen in any given game. International, or Club. The risk is not that high for clubs anyways, they just bitch on the occasions when it happens.

For example there were many retarted PAO fans/papers bitching out Rehagel for Karagkounis missing some league match....As if its Otto Rehagel's fault for picking the squad he feels is best (his job)

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if FIFA makes money from the "players" participation then should also be liable for costs of injury....whether they come from big clubs or not is irrelevant......its not FIFA's job to find balance and equity in any domestic league, rathet its that countires responsibility.....besdies there are insurance policies for this type of thing

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