cyberfish Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 I decided to open this topic because many times I read or hear things regarding the laws of the game that are incorrect. The FIFA laws are posted here: http://www.fifa.com/worldfootball/lawsofthegame.html Also, FIFA has a nice FAQ posted on the same page that clarify many situations >>>>>>Misconception #1: "A player can be ejected (only) if he is the last defender and fouls an opponent who is ready to score" Endless conversations have been going on during Sunday sports shows about this. "Was he really the last defender?" says one. "No, there is another defender nearby" says another. "The referee was wrong to eject Torosidis at Real Madrid", "it was in the referee's discretion to give a red or yellow card" ... In the link above, read page 39 #5, "Sending-off offenses": A player, substitute or substituted player is sent off and shown the red card if he commits any of the following seven offences: ... 5. denies an obvious goalscoring opportunity to an opponent moving towards the player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irlandos Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 Having officiated some matches in my day (little league), I am surprised by the last rule! I was pretty sure no offensive players could mark an opposing GK who is not in possession of the ball. When was that rule changed??? As for misconceptions... 1. I have seen refs rule that only one defender may be in the box for a goal kick. There is no such rule! 2. A player need NOT have two defenders before him to be deemed on side. On side is primarily determined by the position of the ball. 3. Players may receive the ball past the second defender or even the last defender. Offside is determined AT THE TIME WAS BALL WAS PLAYED. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyberfish Posted October 26, 2007 Author Share Posted October 26, 2007 Thanks for moving this Irlande. Is there any chance you can edit the title? Another interesting rule is the one about cautioning a player who celebrates a goal by lifting his shirt. The law book is very specific: http://www.fifa.com/flash/lotg/football/en...n/Laws12_07.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loup Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 question? you and I are away all alone against the goalkeeper I have the ball You are ahead of me I pass you the ball offside? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympiakosthyra7 Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 question? you and I are away all alone against the goalkeeper I have the ball You are ahead of me I pass you the ball offside? correct me if im wrong but if we both start onside then its allowed right? I think that the player who the ball is passed to was offside when the ball was passed to the first player then it is offside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyberfish Posted October 27, 2007 Author Share Posted October 27, 2007 question? you and I are away all alone against the goalkeeper I have the ball You are ahead of me I pass you the ball offside? I am offside. I, the receiver, am closer to the goal than the last two defenders AND the ball. (Loop, from the phrasing of your question you already knew that ;) Here is a nice interactive explanation of the offside rules from FIFA: http://www.fifa.com/flash/lotg/football/en...lash/start.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irlandos Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 Many thanks for that very helpful link, cyberfish! Btw, it shows quite clearly that a player in an offside position is in violation of the rules even if he gets the ball from an opponent as he has gained an advantage by being in that position. That has been a misunderstanding with many in these forums and, apparently, even sportscasters. Whoever posted the Canada - US game and claimed that Canada was robbed in the last play of that game, should revisist their own thread! The funny thing was that the sportscasters of that game ALSO got it wrong!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loup Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 question? you and I are away all alone against the goalkeeper I have the ball You are ahead of me I pass you the ball offside? I am offside. I, the receiver, am closer to the goal than the last two defenders AND the ball. (Loop, from the phrasing of your question you already knew that ;) Here is a nice interactive explanation of the offside rules from FIFA: http://www.fifa.com/flash/lotg/football/en...lash/start.html thanks - I actually learned this from playing video games - in FIFA it was called all the time and drive me nuts - but I guess its the law so the lesson here is more video games = more smarter :LOL: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyberfish Posted October 28, 2007 Author Share Posted October 28, 2007 question? you and I are away all alone against the goalkeeper I have the ball You are ahead of me I pass you the ball offside? I am offside. I, the receiver, am closer to the goal than the last two defenders AND the ball. (Loop, from the phrasing of your question you already knew that ;) Here is a nice interactive explanation of the offside rules from FIFA: http://www.fifa.com/flash/lotg/football/en...lash/start.html thanks - I actually learned this from playing video games - in FIFA it was called all the time and drive me nuts - but I guess its the law so the lesson here is more video games = more smarter :LOL: :LOL: I better start playing video games then ... :LOL: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyberfish Posted October 29, 2007 Author Share Posted October 29, 2007 Here is one that will probably surprise many: No 31 on Page 30 of the FIFA Q&A (see links above): A defender starts holding an attacker outside the penalty area but finishes inside the penalty area. What action should the referee take? He would award a penalty kick. I think most fans and commentators would argue for a freekick where the foul started instead of where it was finished... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irlandos Posted October 29, 2007 Share Posted October 29, 2007 Technically, unless the ref blows the whistle immediately, he SHOULD award a penalty. He in effect allowed play to go on (advantage rule). However, most referees, in this case, seem to award a freekick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyberfish Posted October 30, 2007 Author Share Posted October 30, 2007 Technically, unless the ref blows the whistle immediately, he SHOULD award a penalty. He in effect allowed play to go on (advantage rule). However, most referees, in this case, seem to award a freekick.Yes, this makes sense and it's a good rule.Another interesting rule that is often misunderstood is the excessive force foul and red card. We saw a good example of it when the Aberteen player was sent off with a direct red card in the UEFA cup game against PAO. The rule is very clear and divides infractions in three different categories (page 110): >>"Careless" means that the player has shown a lack of attention or consideration when making a challenge or that he acted without pre- caution. No further disciplinary sanction is needed if a foul is judged to be careless >>"Reckless" means that the player has acted with complete disregard of the danger to, or consequences for, his opponent A player who plays in a reckless manner shall be cautioned. >>"Using excessive force" means that the player has far exceeded the necessary use of force and is in danger of injuring his opponent. A player who uses excessive force shall be sent off. Further down, on pp. 119-120, there is further clarification of the rules: A player is guilty of serious foul play if he uses excessive force or bru- tality against an opponent when challenging for the ball when it is in play. Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force and endangering the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play. Advantage should not be applied in situations involving serious foul play unless there is a clear subsequent opportunity to score a goal. The referee shall send off the player guilty of serious foul play when the ball is next out of play A player who is guilty of serious foul play should be sent off and play is restarted with a direct free kick from the position where the offence occurred * (see page 3) or a penalty kick (if the offence occurred inside the offender Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheLegend Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 question? you and I are away all alone against the goalkeeper I have the ball You are ahead of me I pass you the ball offside? If you are here [GOAL] Teamate <---is offisde however: :D <--you :hypocrite: If he is here and u pass the ball up and hes behind u its not offisde :( :( <--- defenders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kolokotronis Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 I decided to open this topic because many times I read or hear things regarding the laws of the game that are incorrect. The FIFA laws are posted here: http://www.fifa.com/worldfootball/lawsofthegame.html Also, FIFA has a nice FAQ posted on the same page that clarify many situations >>>>>>Misconception #1: "A player can be ejected (only) if he is the last defender and fouls an opponent who is ready to score" Endless conversations have been going on during Sunday sports shows about this. "Was he really the last defender?" says one. "No, there is another defender nearby" says another. "The referee was wrong to eject Torosidis at Real Madrid", "it was in the referee's discretion to give a red or yellow card" ... In the link above, read page 39 #5, "Sending-off offenses": A player, substitute or substituted player is sent off and shown the red card if he commits any of the following seven offences: ... 5. denies an obvious goalscoring opportunity to an opponent moving towards the player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kolokotronis Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 Here's one for you guys. I, the defender, punch an opposing attacker in MY penalty area while the ball is in play in the OPPOSING penalty area. What's the call? (Quickly, w/o referencing the rules) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irlandos Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 Just saw this... The ref should blow the whistle and, as this was an off-the-ball foul, award an indirect freekick to your opponents while chucking you out of the game for a gross infraction of the rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irlandos Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 PS. I believe the indirect freekick will be taken where the ball was blown dead. your opponents' penalty area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheLegend Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 Yea i think thats what happens where the play died but youd get red carded and probably suspended for a good while lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kolokotronis Posted February 2, 2008 Share Posted February 2, 2008 WRONG. All three. Its a red card ejection (for serious foul play) and a ... penalty kick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheLegend Posted February 2, 2008 Share Posted February 2, 2008 No ref gives a penalty in that situation if there is an argument on another side of the feild.... the ball wasnt there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irlandos Posted February 2, 2008 Share Posted February 2, 2008 "A penalty kick is awarded if any of the above ten offences* is committed by a player inside his own penalty area, irrespective of the position of the ball, provided it was in play" - Law 12 *Striking or attempting to strike a player is one of them. So if Kolokotronis swung and missed his opponent, landing on his bottom, the ref would still award a penalty kick! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irlandos Posted February 2, 2008 Share Posted February 2, 2008 Another situation: A defender taking a freekick, plays the ball backwards to a teammate who completely misses the ball which lands in the defender's own nets. How should the ref restart the game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheLegend Posted February 2, 2008 Share Posted February 2, 2008 own goal...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irlandos Posted February 2, 2008 Share Posted February 2, 2008 :nono: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheLegend Posted February 2, 2008 Share Posted February 2, 2008 I dont see how a defender taking a goal kick into his own net isnt an own goal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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