Klaous
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Some interesting detail: Nobody dared to argue with the referee. That's how you do it the right way. If somebody argues with the referee, he gets booked, simple as that. Κομίνη; Το είδες;
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1 hour ago, jvc said:
^^I think you should not blame AEX 2014 for not winning the championship.
Nobody blames AEX 2014 for leaving the pitch and laughing into the cameras like little kids that got away with stealing candy. As I said, μαγκιά τους.
However, I am absolutely sure that they will get a very clear and decisive answer for their actions in the following seasons. I am already looking forward to the day PAOK encounters them and their friends from Pireus again. The cup final yesterday was only the beginning of our retaliation campaign.
PAOK is not a small club anymore, we do not have to wait +25 years for a lucky punch to happen just to get a title. We are contenders for the championship and the cup in the next seasons, and I am absolutely sure that the μπαλαδόφατσες and the bookmakers will see it the same way.
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5 minutes ago, AchillesHeel said:
What was Jimenez thinking starting Mantalos on the wing instead of Lazaros and leaving out Gallo from the starting formation.
Probably arrogance. And maybe they know that the bricklayer wants to leave because Scrooge McDuck does not want to pay him more money.
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On 5/10/2018 at 8:21 PM, Blackhawk said:
One word: Xartino
AEX 2014: Πρώταθληματα στη γ' και στη β', σύν ένα κύπελλο και ένα χάρτινο. MVP οι δικαστές και ο Κομίνης. Μαγκιά τους.
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8 hours ago, Yiankos said:
Νομίζω ότι είσαι άδικος με τον Μαουρίσιο. Δηλαδή βολεύεσαι με τους Κάνιας, Σάκχοφ, Ελ Καντουρί και το πρόβλημά σου είναι ο Μαουρίσιο; Για μένα μόνο ο Κάνιας δεν έχει θέσει στον ΠΑΟΚ, όπως δεν έχει και ο Κρέσπο. Οι υπόλοιποι παίχτες είναι καλοί αλλά έχουν παρόμοια χαρακτηριστικά και χρειαζόμαστε κάτι διαφορετικό.
I think Canias and Shakov are good players for the bench. That's why I said we need an 6-ari and 8-ari. Of course they should be better than those two we already have. About El Kaddouri: Yeah, I forgot. We should get rid of him too.
My problem with Mauricio is that he is the player with the highest paycheck (?) but still average at best. We can get better midfielders for less money. Not to mention his very bad positioning mistakes in Tripolis and Toumpa, contributing to the loss of the championship. I expected much more of him for the money he gets.
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Seeing how things are right now, I guess our possible opponents in the second round will be one of the following clubs:
AJAX, Basel or Fenerbahce.
I think AJAX is the weakest of those teams (Dutch football in general is facing a decline in the last years). But personally I'd prefer Basel just to have an opponent that we did not have in the past.
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Players PAOK should get rid off: Mauricio, Mauricio and Mauricio. He is the biggest disappointment to me this season. Get an 6-ari and an 8-ari, as well as a right back and left back.
Don't take the buy-out option for Mak. We will find another winger. We were always lucky to find good players at this position.
Sell Prijovic for +10-12€ Million and buy Pedro Conde from PAS Giannina. We cannot allow that this player plays for any of the Athenian clubs. Get also another striker for the bench since Koulouris is not good enough.
If the management makes the right moves I see us as the νταμπλούχος 2018/19. AEK will not be as lucky as they were this season. It would also not suprise me if the actual champions of Greece get into the group stage while the χάρτινοι will crumble just as they did today. I also doubt that Marinakis will try to spend much money on his team, he rather prefers to keep the money in his pockets. In other words: Olympiakos is done as long as he keeps being their president.
I am confident that our team has the highest potential for the next season. Stop the own goals by our management (and fans) and Athens will kneel before us just as they did today.
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Next season we need to totally dominate Greek football, just as we did today. No excuses.
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29 minutes ago, Alphonse said:
Savvidis forced a match to be abandoned, PAOK will be punished for this weather you guys like it or not or try convince yourselves you won’t.
PAO has been heavily punished as a result, you can’t escape this.
In a normal country PAOK would get punished, yes. However, in a normal country we would have some good referees to begin with and not those clowns who are surrounded by AEK officials and players for 5 minutes and don't do anything about it like sending them off the field. In a normal country the guys from this list https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Greek_football_scandal, especially Marinakis to name just one, would have faced a very high punishment, but we all know that Marinakis et al. got away with it.
Moreover, since this is Greece, I am baffled as to why you are so confident about PAOK getting punished. You are forgeting how corrupt Greece actually is. It might turn out that Savvidis gets punished as an individual with a heavy monetary fine (in order to tell UEFA/FIFA that the situation has been dealt with) while AEK loses the game on paper for refusing to restart the game. Also do not forget how badly written the Greek law is, everything is possible in this case. It is undeniable that Savvidis has good relations with SYRIZA and the police as well as with the president of the EPO. Not to mention the fact that Greece is a weak country facing a deep economical crisis for years now. I wouldn't be too sure that Greece actually screws someone who invests millions of Euro in this corrupt sh**hole. Savvidis investments (in football as well as in other sectors) are worth millions of taxpayer money, he is a goldmine for the bankrupt Greek economy. Oh and since I heard from AEKtzides that the FIFA will come to aide them. Are we talking about the same FIFA that decided to have the world championship in Russia and Qatar? The FIFA I know has even more corruption scandals going on than Olympiakos, and AEK expects them for help? I am not convinced that they can expect some real help here, but we shall see.
Listen to what Raptopoulos says if you want a realistic view about the μπουρδέλο Greece actually is:
Now is the time we will truely see if Savvidis is actually a χαλίφης. Isn't it ironic? Those who accused Savvidis of being a χαλίφης for months now must fear that their own accusations are not actually true. Haha I like that.
Oh and since no one talked about the football we saw, here are a few words: The two best teams in Greece played against each other, and instead of having an interesting match with box to box offensives, all we saw were two mediocre teams who were afraid to make a mistake. Honestly, Lucescu showed in this particular game that he is everything but a genius, waiting far too long to throw Biseswar in, while his Limnios experiment has not worked out and he wasted a complete half-time for this. Seriously, we would have not this discussion right now if Biseswar had started at the beginning of the second half since he alone improved PAOK's offensive massively.
But I guess I should switch to the Premier League, La Liga or the Bundesliga to see some real football. Greece is only interesting if you like to see chaos and anarchy, mixed with screw ups and corruption from all sides, oh and don't forget the gruesome football. Greek football really is a sh**show.
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So to sum it up:
The referee first awarded the goal to PAOK, then AEK put pressure on the linesman and on the referee for 5 minutes. Then they decided first to not give the goal, but somehow they changed their minds while at the same time Savvidis approached, saying to his own team to leave, which the PAOK players refused to do. Michel also said to Kominis that "he is done". After that Savvidis left while there was again some discussion and then AEK left claiming that they are afraid of Savvidis.
Well, okay then. If you ask me, all three sides made a mess out of this game and should get punished for that. This has nothing to do with football anymore. From all sides just embarrassment. "No, it was offside!" "No, it was a regular goal!" "But Savvidis had a weapon!" "But he didn't use it!" "AEK left because we would have won 1-0!" "Savvidis put pressure on the referee so that's why Kominis gave PAOK the goal!"
It's just an "if I cannot win then you should not either"-mentality. The whole thing has become so messed up and I do not like anything of this. It just shows how toxic Greek society is and I really wonder why I should waste my time and follow the Greek Soupa League any longer.
It's so exhausting. Miserable football mixed with fan violence and referees who act like amateurs along with clubs who are trying everything to win and derbies which are decided at the courts. Elladistan at its best. Honestly, Greece will never stop to be a Zougla. This country is ultimately lost.
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13 minutes ago, aekaraCLE said:
The league needs to be postponed until all this crap gets straightened out. How the heck did AEK lose 1-0 on paper?! The last we saw, the referee called the play offside, then all hell broke out. Now, we lose, on paper?!
No, AEK did not lose on paper 1-0. According to what I heard on ERT Kominis finally decided to award the goal to PAOK and because of this AEK refused to end the game, claming that Savvidis is responsible for this and threatened the referee. Now everything will depend on what the match report actually states. If it is favoring PAOK then AEK will lose on paper 3-0 and 3 points will be deducted from AEK. If it is favoring AEK then PAOK will get a 3 point deduction and AEK wins on paper 3-0. If it does not favor anyone, both clubs will be punished because the game could not end.
Welcome to Elladistan.
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2 minutes ago, jvc said:
He has a gun....clearly shows aggression, PAOK needs to be relegated...Now!!!
You still have not shown me the paragraph.
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1 minute ago, Alphonse said:
I don't trust it one bit.
Goal gets disallowed - your owner storms the pitch with a gun... threatens the reff as does another person of your staff... the game is then delayed for 2 hours and the reff who was threatened with his life and job awards a 1-0 win to PAOK? Come on file, you know as much as I do this is all bullshit and justice is just not present in Greece
I do not know. We will see what will happen. I cannot believe that Savvidis is the new Marinakis. The scenario that PAOK wins on paper and you probably lose the championship while PAOK does not get punished for anything... I cannot imagine so much αλητεία coming from Savvidis.
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12 minutes ago, PAOK17 said:
This is a joke. So why did PAOK win?
That goal was debatable as it depends on whether it's believed the player in the offices position interfered. My opinion is he didn't as the keeper was in the position to make the save and made a full attempt. Remove the offside player and he still doesn't make the save. But I can see why one could call it a goal. But then the next events had nothing to do with the game.
Below is a link of a similar situation where a goal was given even though an interfering player made a move to the ball (skip to 1:40):
First why did the assistant not raise his flag? Then players are ambushing him and the ref. Players from both teams!
Then we have Savidis coming on with a gun. I agree, that should never happen, and I question what happened in the locker rooms. The refs were intimidated for certain. The aek players were justified not to come back.
I think this season no one should win the championship. The league needs to be dissolved or something.
One can only guess why Kominis decided to award the goal to PAOK. But regardless, I do not like anything of this. This is a whole new level of embarrassment for Greek football. Reminds me a bit of the cup final between Olympiakos and Tripolis. Has Savvidis really become today the new Marinakis? I did not expect that to happen.
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3 minutes ago, jvc said:
Article 19 in Greek football sates PAOKs actions equals relegation....to avoid that the season will be cancelled. MARK MY WORDS.
Quote the paragraph you are refereing to, article 19 has a lot of paragraphs.
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And btw JVC, unlike you, I am able to show you some laws that are actually refering to a possible punishment for both teams.
Με αφαίρεση δέκα (10) βαθμών και χρηματική ποινή από 8.000,00 έως 40.000,00 Ευρώ για τις ΠΑΕ και έως δύο χιλιάδες (2.000) ευρώ για τα σωματεία, από την ομάδα που θα αποχωρήσει από τον αγώνα μετά την έναρξή του. Σε αυτή την περίπτωση η υπαίτια ομάδα δεν δικαιούται μερίδιο από τις εισπράξεις του αγώνα, το οποίο περιέρχεται στη διοργανώτρια.
http://www.epo.gr/media/files/KATASTATIKO_KANONISMOI/2017_2018/KAP_July_2017_new.pdf
Although I do not think they have the guts to deduct 10 point from both clubs.
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Just now, jvc said:
You're so desperate for a championship...LMAO
Yes, that is why I demanded 10 points deducted from PAOK and AEK for the shitshow today. I do not care about Greek football anymore, the things that happened today are embarrassing. From both sides.
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1 minute ago, jvc said:
Lol
Of course you are biased. Relegation for what? Based on which law? You can demand relegation for PAOK if Savvidis actually used that gun on a referee, not because he had a gun at his back. This is called framing and nothing else. The same was done by Olympiakos fans with the scooter in Toumpa in order to "prove" how bad PAOK is. Has not worked at the courts.
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5 minutes ago, Alphonse said:
I am not, the referee has sided with them, of course after your life is threatened... s%$#! show Greek Football, starting PAOK. Killing the game as usual
Why don't you wait what the match report actually says? There are a lot of things unclear now. If you ask me, both clubs are probably going to be punished. But that will depend mostly on the match report.
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3 minutes ago, jvc said:
He had a gun on him....that's automatic relegation for PAOK....no frame up here.
No, that's only what you wish because you are obviously biased towards PAOK.
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Just now, Alphonse said:
Frame? Running on the field with a gun strapped around you is ok? Threatening people with their lives is ok? What definition does that give you?
Let's talk some sense hey, put on some reasonable glasses instead of the black and white - we are victims all the time and resort to violence stance is ok one.
Well, it is not proven if he threatend someone. This is just what AEK claims, so yes, at the moment PAE AEK is trying to frame Savvidis as a terrorist to win the match at the courts. PAE PAOK claims that AEK did not want to play because the referee finally decided to give the goal to PAOK. So yeah, welcome to the shitshow. If you ask me both should be punished with a 10 point deduction for this θέατρο. Make Olympiakos champions again haha.
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Well, I heard it from ERT. Kominis finally decided to give PAOK the goal and AEK refused to go out and play again because of this decision. Now they are trying to frame Savvidis as a "terrorist" in order to win the match at the courts. So basically we will have a derby at the courts again.
Πω ρε τη μπουρδελλο εχουμε γινει.
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I am hearing right now that AEK refused to come out because the referee finally decided to give the goal to PAOK. AEK is trying to put the blame on Savvidis claiming that they were afraid of him. As we already have experienced with Olympiakos all will depend on what Kominis is going to write into the match report.
Wow. I did not expect this. What the hell. So we have actually a chance to win this on paper with 3-0? Hahaha Athens is going to hate us forever if this really happens. But since Greece is indeed a Zougla I do not care about this anymore. Regardless of what is going to happen now.
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12 minutes ago, Alphonse said:
He did and he threatened the reff with his life...
Yes, Savvidis also controls the EPO according to the ΠΟΚ propaganda. We could all see today how much truth there is to that. Greece at its best.
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If that's the case then hello AJAX or Basel.