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  1. PAO never owed Paiania. Fact.

    Yes he got to 2 semi finals.. What happened after the 2nd one? Did he forget his promis?

    Why did he allow Kokkalis to install his paragka? Yes he accomplished much during the 80s and early 90s... Nobody can deny that. But what happened after that???

    Why did his nephew dismantle the Rizoupoli team after reaching the 1/4s in CL? You know, the backbone of the ethniki...

    Why was he content finishing number 2 all those years? Where was their power, as one of the richest families in Greece to protect the club?

    They were so generous that when they left, they loaded the team with Debt and graced Symaxia with the burden when the fans made it clear to them the 2nd place was not enough. THAT is their legacy. Not a training ground or a stadium... Just a vail underhanded show of generosity that F***ed our club----->debt , that has set us back a decade. So excuse me if I forget the early accomplishments.

  2. JVC, are you bipolar? You were celebrating the charges in player personnel barely a week ago... One moment you're fearing the apocalypse, the next you expect immediate CL glory... Might I suggest that you maintain a more even approach when it comes to all things PAO?

  3. Mas fotises!

    Do tapes exist? Yes or no?

    Why does Zeca get a red card when your player gets nothing for the same offence in the same weekend?

    Why is your president still taking part in football operations when he was ordered to cease? Why is EPO tolerating this?

    Why is their a war waged on gate 13 while gate 7 gets F*** all when it misbehaves?

    Why is PAO paying fines while OSFP is virtually immune?

    Why do batsoi stop derbies at Leoforo for 2 thrown flares while matches like Rizoupoli and the offside Katsourani game are allowed to take place unpunished?

    When you come up with valid reasons for these points and a myriad others, I'll answer your questions.

  4. This will be my last post on this matter...

    Ask yourselves why the gavroi in this thread endorse the Vardis: complacency? Acceptance being number 2? Loading debt, Etc..

    And why they mock/ridicule Alafouzos who is paying off debts, has the guts to speak out about the red system, brought to light Marinakis' extracurricular (heroine) activities, is adding assets (training Center) to the team...

    Note, they did the same with Pateras a few years back...

    You cannot dismiss his overall work based on a few bad results which ironically are tainted by the trixa mandalo who red carded our CAPTAIN over NOTHING. Wake up, a war is being waged on us.

    For me it's too obvious... I will always support the guy they hate because it means that person is doing his job right.

  5. What profit?!???!?????? You are going to drive me nuts with your misinformed statements.

    PAO is paying off debts. As in unpaid player wages from Tzigger's era for players like Eki Gonzalez!!!! Guys that haven't played for us in a decade!!!

    Yet he is doing just that. Slowly honouring the club's obligations.

    The man has even added training facilities to the club's assets. Something Kapetanos didn't do (for some older fans)! Heck, his miserable nephew wanted to charge PAO rent after he left his debt riddled shares to Symaxia for the use of Paenia after he and his family pocketed millions from the club over 30 years of ownership.

    I chose gladly to suffer now for something bigger in the future. Because, the Vardis rule was one of accepting 2nd place, pocketing millions from the club, and hiding behind the claim that the team was never in the red, (which ended up being a load of crap given the state of the club when they finally left..

    Also, Kapetanos pocketed millions by dismantling the '96 semifinal CL team and not really reinvesting in the team in the process, let alone strengthening an already impressive club. This complacency/greed allowed Kokkalis to install his paragga... And the rest is history.

  6. Your post is fine and dandy. I too want Pateras to come in and kick ass without any prisoners... HOWEVER, until such a president steps up, who better than Alafouzos?

    Do you prefer a leaderless club? THAT is a recipe for TOTAL disaster. We are talking bottom leagues. And as Aris has demonstrated a couple of times, that can be disastrous and very difficult to overcome. A leaderless PAO can find itself stuck in a far worse quagmire for years on end.

    We all want results, but without patience, (waiting for the right man to take over following the clearing of our debts) we risk a very high risk of falling off a precipice into a far steeper pit. Chasing Alafouzo off with pitchforks is risky if nobody is there to pick up the pieces. And don't take my word for it, ask AEK fans how a leaderless club fared for them a few seasons back...

  7. JVC, I ask you, would you preferred he left and we dropped to the bottom division? You don't think that is worse? The stigma of that shame will forever tarnish your legacy.

    I for one prefer what has been accomplished under his leadership. He undertook a homeless last place bound team, loaded with debt, and is slowly guiding it to sustainability. He also won a CUP with no budget! All this while having the balls to speak out against the system. He is fighting forces who look to destroy our club, as well as misguided Panathinaikoi that believe Tzigger was a better leader! An einai dinaton!!! Instead of infighting, PAO's lao must unify gamoto... We all want better results on the field but this infighting will not get us there..

    Again, he's all we've got until someone steps in. Given that he is spending HIS money on a caretaker basis, I am great full he is there.

  8. ^^ wtf? Get your facts strait JVC.

    Playoffs is for a CL spot, which is a m*****a in my opinion but if we do finish 2nd in the League then really the joke is on everyone else below us, especially since we haven't spent money.

    Although you are currently sitting pretty in 2nd spot, are you happy that Tiger promises the world yet doesn't spend much? I don't get your statement... It's ok that your legacy has been tarnished to wipe debt, only to have one of the wealthiest men in Greece not spend much? How's the stadium coming along? Take it from me, having lived through hollow promises of Tzigger, Botanikos projects, and the m#$%! Tsipra's meddling, I can smell bourdes a mile away. I hope for you I'm wrong, but in your place I would be concerned. On the day PAO is debt free, and a powerful individual takes over and Should he choose to undertake a frugal approach, I would be pissed...

    Reaper: let's assume that one day, Marinakis packs up and leaves, the CL money ceases coming in, and Oly accumulates unsustainable debt, would you be happy dropping to the 3rd division to erase your debts? What would that do to your "thrylos" legacy? Or is that the right move for every other Greek team but yours?

  9. No one wanted to save AEK. Only when they went to the third division did Tiger come in and take complete control. If PAO were allowed to fall as they should have - I think the chances are high they would be like AEK. No one will touch PAO as long as Alafouzos is calling the shots.

    Why would Tiger assume debts born of other people's incompetence? Kala ekane... However,

    1- PAO is PAO. We will never be like AEK. You say PAO "should" of fallen? Ha! Please refrain from typing fallacies. It is paying its debts (incurred under the leadership of the very Gavro-endorsed Tzigger) therefore it is rightfully playing in the top division.

    2-PAO's legacy does not permit it to use the AEK model of dropping to the bottom to waive its debts. PANATHINAIKOS means maxitiki psixi! PAO sucks it up and goes through tough times to pay off its debts seeing as we unlike you don't get government handouts nor does the team neglect to pay debts from the 1970s to the early 1990s. (We are also lucky not to have our history tarnished by characters like Salieris and Marinakis.. Guys that went to jail or belong there). All this while sustaining repeated attacks by the very red system, EPO, Kontoni, batsoi... Do I wish we had better results on the field? Sure... But Under the circumstances, gustaro and I'm proud of this team's balls. Like I said many times before, we are paying our debts, we have acquired our own training grounds, Leoforos will be renovated giving us a stable home... Not bad for tough times. What has Tiger done for AEK again?

    3- Alafouzos is a caretaker during this hard time. He has expressed multiple times that the minute a big shot is ready to take over, he will gladly hand the rains. The minute PAO's debts are significantly reduced, I suspect a big player will move in to take PAO in a new era. Until then I'm glad Alafouzos is providing leadership and Millions to keep us afloat..

  10. Karaiskaki was built without one penny of tax payer money. Fact.

    Pao had better teams under the Vards. Fact.

    Re Karaiskaki: :lol: how is that other club from the port you use to share the old stadium doing these days? :lol: the new Karaiskaki is one of the few buildings from the 2004 Olympics still in use! Viva the socialist state for the ultimate support of THE Butter fed Club in Greece! :lol:

    Re vardinogiannides: the whole league was better then before the system (OSFP) destroyed it.

    FACT fact FACT!!!

  11. In the end, the only people endorsing Tzigger are misguided PAO fans and Gavs (as demonstrated a couple of posts ago). From the Gav point of view, do we really need to ask why? :lol:

    Could PAO use an owner with deeper pockets and a bigger arostia for PAO than Alafouzo? Sure, you can always use one of those to fight the system. But Alafouzos is way preferable to Tzigger and family, who accepted the system. Let us not forget that while he has led our team, a bigger war on PAO has never been waged. Without him, it is entirely conceivable that the team would of been destroyed. AXARISTOI! :p

    Alafouzo is paying down PAO's debt (incurred under Tzigger's watch), without relegating our proud club to Gamma ethniki, he added a training facility to the team's assets (the Vardis promised this in 1979 and never did so), and he is on the verge of making key renovations at Leoforo (our HISTORICAL home) thus ensuring the club will not be left homeless like AEK or living off tax payers like the Gavs and over a team like Ethnikos Pireas. (New Karaiskaki stadium circa 2004). These are all facts.

  12. Who died and made you the expert on the obvious and the insane? I thought you agreed to disagree a couple of posts ago, why are you still here? (Troll)

    As for Vaggela and the multiple allegations: Where there is smoke...... You know the rest...

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