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That's my point Nick, they know the league is in shatters and teams are struggling and yet they still require the help of refs to get results and this is with the lineup and players and money they have. Very sad.

Jesus Christ you have got to be kidding me...

I didn't mind Katsouranis at all. If we didn't botch the Euro campaign I would be down for him to play 30-60 minutes a game as a starter or super-sub. I think his handling during the campaign was pretty disrespectful since he was almost as important to us as Karagounis IMO. Karagounis being a bit more important but still HUGE for us. A CDM has a longer shelf life than a RB like Seitaridis. Seitaridis in his prime was stellar, nevertheless. We probably should have groomed him to be a CB in a more disciplined way. Like Ramos or Lahm as CDM (he'd be a CB if he was bigger/stronger)

___________Mitroglou Pelkas_____Fortounis_____Mantalos _____Tachtsidis___Samaris Holebas________________Torosidis _______Manolas__Sokratis ___________Karnezis This should be our core team. We should stick to this in the beginning. It's also important to start incorporating Stafylidis and Kitsiou into the fullback positions during this campaign. Holebas and Torosidis are both in their 30s. Lastly, we also need to utilize Petsos, Vellios, Kapino, etc. He have a very good team, a lot of youth talent and a lot of quality players. There could be worse problems. (I believe Bakakis should be a starter if he wasn't injured, if he's as good as he is for AEK than we're in good feet :P )

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Wow what an absolutely disgraceful win; the ref so obviously in our favor (perhaps even bribed). The s%$#! that Greek football has become. Sometimes its better to loose a game with dignity then win like that.

Jamie Vardy is the best thing to happen to the Premier League for a long time. He's playing out of his skin right now, I would love to see him go on and equal or break Van Nistelroy's record of scoring in 10 consecutive games. Ranieri is doing a great job at Leicester on the whole, Mahrez and Albrighton are great on the wings for them. Makes you wonder how it all went so wrong for old Claudio at the NT, makes the players look worse now. Loved watching Liverpool beat Chelsea 1-3 too. Benkete and Coutinho looked great, I wonder how Klopp is going to manage all these players when Sturridge, Henderson and Ings come back from injury. I have no idea what is going to happen for Mourinho at Chelsea though. I personally think players like Hazard, Costa, Fabregas and Matic should take most of the blame for the teams poor start. And there is also the point that there is no obvious replacement for Mourinho now, unless Ancelotti fancies coming back to the bridge.