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I lived for years with drachmas and never knew any Greek who starved. Fear-mongering tactics are all you

This vote is a sign of defiance against the Northern European politicians, the wealthy businessmen, bankers and the one-sided media corporations in Greece and abroad. The Euro currency is a disaster and more are beginning to realise this. Not just in Greece, it was great to see solidarity marches in other countries like Ireland, France, Britain and Spain in support of the Greek people. I know people have said parties similar to Syriza could do well in elections in Spain and Ireland, while right-wing Euro scepticism is rising in France. Europe is changing and the EU-oligarchy don't like it one bit.

Greece won tonight. We sent to Europe and the World, a clear message that this country is NOT for sale. It was paid for in blood, we will not sell it for paper.

I defend my opinions Bananas. With tooth and claw. I do not attack people for their opinions. I call out ignorance when somebody posts something that is not substantiated with logical arguments. And yes, I do enjoy a debate. If I crossed the line and personally insulted somebody, I apologize. If I insulted somebody's political, religious or other beliefs, then so be it. Good argument, but that's not the point. The point I'm making is that if somebody is not knowledgeable on a subject they should not try to make arguments they cannot substantiate. IT's easy to spot out ignorance on a subject. Anyway, back to the topic at hand. And so the count-down starts. Tsipras fooled the people once again, and this Greek government can kiss Europe goodbye.

I hate to say it but it's more like: what will the troika do with it. The reasonable thing would be for them to pull in their talons and try a formula that will work. The current debt is unsustainable and the austerity imposed has made the Greeks suffer - as they can now plainly see.

Jim I agree with you here. Some of the posters on this board are either young or far removed from Greece and do not know any better. Its like the people at the church who mean well but they can't speak more than "Ti Kaneis" and their only exposure to Greece was a 1 week vacation in 2003 on some group tour. They don't understand everyday Greek life and all the obstacles and crap people have to go through to get anything done or all the corruption. I'm not dissing anyone with their opinion but its obvious that some people are not in the know and try to use United States capitalism and Greek governing which that is like trying to mix oil and water.

Troika supporters are going all out to scare Greeks to accept what most harms them - endless austerity until the entire population is forced into impoverished indentured servitude to western bankers. @aek, these banks that gave these super low interest rates to Greece on more favourable terms than Ireland did so but Greece is paying a lower rate on a much higher amount so the interest alone still cripples Greece. @gyros, let Greece go to Bulgarian rate pensions, if they stay in Europe they slowly will do anyway but things will remain expensive, as for Europe dumping us because we're not civilised enough, go to any UK city centre on a friday or saturday night and see how civilised the Brits are, in fact go to Faliraki(Rhodes) or any Greek island during the summer months and see how well western European tourists behave. The EU want everything privately owned by their corporate chums under privatisation in exchange for bailout money, Greece will eventually own nothing. Thanks for the subsidies for our highways, but who owns them? where does the toll money go? Nice one Jim, anyone who doesn't want to be governed by an unaudited corrupt incompetent organisation is somehow 'a nationalistic spartan wannabe' or a 'golden dawn supporter'

Jimmy, if the criteria for posting on this thread are that you need to have spent x amount of days, months or years living in Greece before you can post, you're going to have a very quiet thread with not many posts. Where is the cut off ? Can one post if they've lived in Greece for 5 years, but it was 20 years ago ? Or can they post if they lived there for 2 years, 5 years ago ? Is there a formula ? Saying that posters shouldn't post due to such a reason is a bit rich don't you think ? People can form opinions (other than eyes on the ground) especially these days with the internet making alternative views and ideas so accessible. I know that my opinion of Greece was very different to friends of mine. It's so ... subjective you see. But my friends can't say that their view of reality is better or more accurate than mine, because they stayed in Greece a few weeks longer or less than I did. You seem to have a real problem with anyone disagreeing with you. It's an internet forum. And people have their opinions. And it's a politics thread! Just accept it. Your "I'm going to give it to him" style of posting with anyone that disagrees with you is over the top. You have some good points, so just make them. No need to be so combative all the time. Or do you just enjoy the verbal jousting ? Just saying.

A vote for no is surely the only way to vote. The fact is that the austerity of the last few years has been too severe and has choked the economy and the ordinary people are suffering and all to make sure the western banks do not lose out and get their money At least this government has fought back at the ridiculous demands that have been made regarding repayments. The previous governments agreed to every demand that was made. Of course there is bad business practice and cronyism and this has to be addressed but first the debt needs to be addressed by extending the repayment period it makes it more manageable it has been done before ironically for the benefit of the Germans. Britain only finished paying her debts to the Americans, incurred from the Second World War, a couple of years ago. Imagine if the U.S. Had demanded payment over a much shorter period. At least this government have have argued back fought their corner and emphasised that the current arrangement has not worked

Very true, Vellidis is a solid goalie at a good age. Starting material. He's even earned a NT call up

There are! And indeed on the official site paokfc.gr

Creditors is not individual banks like you imagine in this case. Banks hold less than 5% of the 240 bil debt. Germany and France are more than willing to write off this debt as its stretched over 30 years so in the general scheme of things, it will effect their bottom line very little. A person who is in debt never holds any cards. Greece is in tough trouble if they go to the drachma. Alone and isolated with money that is worthless. They will just be another vacation spot for people to get drunk at and then go home.

I cant believe some of you want the people to vote NO. Thats crazy, suicidal. Leave the Euro, a strong real currency and go back to the Drachmas. LOL. The Drachmas wouldn't be worth the paper its printed on. Greece would be worse off. That currency would be so de-valued. Think Zimbabwean dollars? What trade would happen with the drachmas? Who would want to do business with that? The only happy people would be the foreigners, who could vacation and live in Greece like kings with their money. LOL I see no other out come tomorrow but a YES vote. The Greek people aren't stupid. Austerity is painful, but a life under the Drachma would be worse.

@ Dimitri 13: I've repeatedly said the troika recipe for economic recovery is faulty. But, elements for domestic reforms are very sound, and sadly it came to foreigners to demand how Greece organizes itself. It's humiliating. Secondly, you have to agree that being irresponsible leads to losing national independence when you go begging. Blaiming, cursing, making enemies of those who demand an arm and a leg before they lend you again (since you've lost all credibility), isn't doing any good. After all, you go begging to them. Right? Syriza proved amateurish in handling the negotiations, and not having serious plans to deal with the crisis after they brought down the previous government. Precious time was lost too. Excuse me, but when I hear Tsipras uttering bullshit and cheap slogans I cringe. Honestly, I really wanted this guy to suceed and breathe a fresh air into Greek politics but he/they proved inadequate for the circumstances.

POINT OF ORDER HERE: Dear members, please refrain from personal attacks. We can agree to disagree. Free expression is desirable but it must be done with civility. If you don't like someone's views, skip their posts and don't respond. Thank you!

What "sovereign nation" are we talking about when everything is dictated from Brussels and Berlin and Angela Merkel wants us to change our constitution to say foreign lenders get preference over Greeks??? What "sovereign nation" are we talking about when are forced to go against our own interests concerning Russia? What "sovereign nation" are we talking about when we are dumped 3rd World people from the North, simply because this is the first European country they sneaked into? What "sovereign nation" are we talking about when we have to change our laws based on the judgement of northerners whose sense of morality and justice differs from ours?

I apologize if I'm being too harsh, but I see such statements are generic and not very meaningful other than cheap political slogans, much like Tsipras was saying yesterday addressing the crowd. Proud Hellenes, solidarity, national unity, against the bloodsucking conspirators, ..show the Europeans what Greece is made of, etc, etc. What the hell is a prime minister in an extremely serious situation trying to do? Excite the mob to storm the Bastille? These remarks are OK in a "gipedo" where we shout slogans and being silly, but in serious politics they help perpetuate bad politics. Do or do you not need Europe? Do you or do you not need bailout money? As to some of those slogans: The country has already been sold, not literally, but very close to that, because when you are begging you've lost national independence the future of "your children" was undermined by all Greek governments in the last 50 years, for perpetuating a corrupt state, including higher education. Yes, "show them" what Greeks are made of!.... I think the Europeans have views on this and the current Athens rhetoric doesn't change their opinion. Does anyone think it does? Contradict the IMF.... while at it, contradict all those who are saying your economic policies since WW2 have led you to this disaster. Look, I know you care, like all our friends here, and everyone supports Greece. We also all want Greece to cure its ills and do great. After all, I think all of us here have relatives or friends in Greece, but above all we understand the human toll in this horrible situation. But, we disagree about the remedy. I'm not sure if we agree on the causes of this disease. This is utterly important becuase you have to diagnose the causes accurately before prescribing a remedy. :la:

There is no reason to be ashamed of wet dreams.

What worries me is that nearly 50% of the voters intend to vote "yes". This one is a no-brainer, folks! You are intending to accept the continuation of a program that was doomed to failure from the word "go". You are intending to accept the sell-off of your country to foreigners. You are intending to contradict the IMF which says Greece cannot continue on this present course. You are intending to kowtow before the Scheubeles and Dijsebloems of the EU whose anti-Greek sentiments are well-known. You are intending to sacrifice your long-term interests for the (very) short-term. You are intending to sacrifice the future of your children. You are intending to sell out your country.

Jim Adams, are you blaming the current government for the mess Greece is in? They have been in power for less than 5 months....

I'm Spartacus!