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markarian is a rubbish coach?do you have any idea what you are talking about? the guy has won 7 championships,2 cups,3rd place with peru in the 2011 copa America,took ionkios to uefa cup qualification at a time when the greek league was actually competitive,took pao to the quarter finals of the uefa cup and the champions league,and reached the final of the copa libertadores with sportng crystal among other succesess,lets think before we call someone with that type of a resume rubbish

the curremt crop of greek players is spoilt and soft,i bet you none of them have ever had a job,it would do them the world of good to go and work in a warehouse or labouring to see how bread is put on the table,but they have been wrapped in cotton wool and spoon fed,their whole lives,and been told po po ti paixtara eisai and they start believing that rubbish,they don't know what its like to fight. there was one European coach ,coaching in Greece and he wanted to schedule 6.30 am training sessions he had a revolt on his hands and the players won,the time was changed to 9.30. mitroglou is the prime example he refuses to chase anything resembling a lost cause,pure laziness.

he inherited a great side from kyrasta ,what about the side he inherited from sandos which was 12 point behind the gavrous and nearly won the whole thing? again you are trying to belittle markarian as a coach with what you just said.

The players lack passion. Pre-2004 the players we had at our disposal the majority played in Greece, for Greek teams and understood what it meant to play for the Ethniki. The players looked at these competitions as a way to get noticed and to somehow play on a bigger stage such a a european or world competition and to get noticed. Now that some of the players play for medium to big teams across Europe they have lost that. They no longer possess the feeling of passion that their predecessors did when playing for the Ethniki. These lads are the modern Greek magka model wannabes who are afraid to get a piece of mud on their boots. Gone are the days of Dellas, Zagorakis, Basinas, Kapsis, Karagounis, Nikopolidis. These guys had passion, balls. Now we have Tachtsidis, Christodolopoulos, and Mitroglou. Bring in a new coach with fresh new ideas and not some pre-historic creature who cant communicate with the players. Eleos.

Send them all to the army

Anyone know when Kyriakos is due back, this left a gaping hole like the Grand Canyon, by not being available against that new football power Faroes.

Berg just scored for Sweden in their qualifier vs Montenegro. Their 3-1 up, unsurprisingly Zlatan got the other two goals. Here is his goal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeOuHVQ2hoc

No identity no leadership no skill bluh bluh bluh, at the end of the day we are going to be the only team in this group to lose to the Faroe Islands, this team is in fourth with 6 points thanks to us, I don't care how bad the players form is or how bad our system is, we should have been able to play 2nd division players and beat the Faroe Islands, there is something deeper and more troublesome going on here. All we had to to was beat this team twice and we would be sitting with 8 points, here is the problem as I see it, we looked at this group and we changed or system we decided to try and play a more offensive style because it a weak group, news flash that's not our style we don't have a world class forward, we needed to play the style that fits us which is pure rock solid defense and attack on the counter, that was our system why we ever got away from it I will never know. Now our defense sucks our midfield sucks or offense sucks and we have no system. This my friends is our problem we have changed what has made us who we were, that was a brick wall of a defense that can catch you on the counter.

I won't say much but I said it before ranieri got sacked..this current crop of greek senior players are the biggest problem to motivate...time for a huge overhaul squad wise! you can't go any lower now Notting to lose by this big decision if taken....

You think that the utter humiliation would do something to the pride of these players. Make them reevaluate their performances and at a minimum motivate them, I bet you they start getting all defensive the way Karagounis used to petulantly and sarcastically front the media. These guys have to realise that they've done nothing for a year and the public, fans and those that want the best for the Ethniki deserve answers. They need to roll up their sleaves against Poland or just retire. The campaign is over. They are playing for redemption now. Show it against Poland or do honourable thing and quit.

Go follow baseball you dumbarse hack.

The only thing you can blame Oly for is the purchasing of young greek talent from smaller clubs and putting them on the bench and signing foriegn players to play ahead of them. It's as if they don't want anyone else to have them so they just buy them for the hell of it.

Katsouranis needs to do the honourable thing and retire. Then we wouldn't be having these discussions about him being selected. His time has passed. He was a great player but you can't make a 36 yo challenge guys in their prime. The campaign is over but the real work actually begins now. Coaching positions. Playing rosters. Playing systems. All up for discussion if we ae to rebuild properly. I don't want to see 80 yo coaches over 30 yo players taking us to the 2018 WC qualifiers.

most greek players have big heads they play 10 games for the first team ,then they get tattoos and try to find some super model wa nnabe and they think they are super stars. if they get asked to do something they don't like or don't agree with they will tell the coach im feeling a bit of a niggle can I give it a miss. if your not willing battle and chase lost causes out there you will get beat,mitroglou is the prime example he refuses to do any work off the ball or chase anything down,i watched lafferty play for northern ireland aganst Romania ,he is the total opposite he ran and chased evry thing trying to create something out of nothing,i know who I would prefer in my starting 11. like I wrote on the national team thread,the boys from faroe islands will be going to work on Monday our millionaires will be going to Mykonos for frapedakia and to get some new tattoos and get their hair done.

the faroe island players will be going to work on Monday ,our guys will be going to Mykonos and getting new tattoos.

How exactly does that fix the issue? Is Bielsa going to magically find midfielders with high work rates who can actually do something or a striker who can, you know, strike? Is he going to teach Fetfatzidis how to shoot or Mitroglou how to control a pass or Kone how to run?The coach isn't the real issue. The majority of thr blame falls on this current crop of players and the failure of EPO and the infrastructure to produce quality players from the youth level. You could hire Mourinho and he'd be an abject failure with this team too. Santos knew what he was doing by sticking to his guns and playing the players he knew could get results in his system. Personally, I think they need to decide on an identity and how they want to play because right now, they have none. If that means go back to the stout, hard nosed defensive style then so be it. At least they will know what they are because whatever they think they are now is an abject failure. And you build the team from that foundation and you choose the players that complement that best. Because right now, this team doesn't excel at any one thing and doesn't know what to do on the field. The defense is subpar, the midfield is nonexistant, and the forwards are a word that means nonexistant but to a degree of infinity. Everyone was sooooo keen to get rid of the older players and play with the "new" generation. Well, we're on coach #2 with this current crop and they still look like s%$#!.

Ela paixtara !! ;)

I have my own republic ? I didn't even know.