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SL1-R12: Olympiakos - PAOK (01-Dec-19, 19:30 EET)

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MATCHUP:           Olympiakos Piraeus - P.A.O.K. Thessaloniki
COMPETITION:   Superleague – Round 12
DATE:                    01-December-2019
TIME:                    19:30 EET (17:30 UTC, 11:30 CST, 04:30 AEDT next day)
CITY/STADIUM:  Piraeus - G. Karaiskakis Stadium (Capacity: 32,115)
REFEREES:           Sanchez Martinez Joser Maria - Raul Cabaniero martinez, Indigo Prieto Lopez de Cerain  (All Spain)
TELEVISION:       Novasport 1 (Greece, Cyprus), Sport Plus (USA/Canada/Australia)

Olympiakos vs. P.A.O.K.  history:    

Superleague

2018-2019:  0:1 – (49. Own goal) - Attendance: 30,532
2017-2018:  1:0 - Attendance: 30,250
2016-2017:  2:1 (6. Varela) - Attendance: 24,727
2015-2016:  1:0 - Attendance: 29,576

2014-2015:  1:2 (43. Athanasiadis, 49. Pereyra) - Attendance: 28,525
2013-2014:  4:0 - Attendance: 27,189
2012-2013:  0:0 - Attendance: 28,417
2011-2012:  2:1 (24. Balafas) - Attendance: 28,772
2010-2011:  3:0 - Attendance: 30,275
2009-2010:  0:1 (33. Ivic) - Attendance: 15,829  (PLAYOFFS)
2009-2010:  0:1 (20. Edinho) - Attendance: 26,139
2008-2009:  2:0 - Attendance: 29,482
2007-2008:  2:1 (42. Konstantinidis) - Attendance: 28,077
2006-2007:  2:0 - Attendance: 29,140
2005-2006:  1:2 (65. Konstantinidis, 70. Konstantinidis) - Attendance: no fans (The first loss for Olympiakos in the new Karaiskakis Stadium)

Alpha Ethniki (Professional)

2004-2005:  5:1 (65. Salpiggidis) - Attendance:  26,792
2003-2004:  1:2 (68. Salpiggidis, 87. Spasic) - Attendance:  9,164 (Rizoupoli Stadium)
2002-2003:  4:3 (35. Kafes, 60. Kafes, 72. Kafes) - Attendance: 9,518 (Rizoupoli Stadium)
2001-2002:  3:2 (54. Georgiadis-p, 57. Georgiadis) - Attendance: 37,825  (OAKA Stadium)
2000-2001:  1:0 - Attendance: 12,925  (OAKA Stadium)
1999-2000:  4:1 (76. Frantzeskos) - Attendance: 11,977  (OAKA Stadium)
1998-1999:  2:1 (3. Vryzas) - Attendance: 16,582  (OAKA Stadium)
1997-1998:  2:0 - Attendance: 32,275  (OAKA Stadium)
1996-1997:  1:0  - Attendance: 14,694
1995-1996:  1:0 - Attendance: 6,191
1994-1995:  2:0 - Attendance: 16,497
1993-1994:  1:0 - Attendance: 12,237
1992-1993:  2:0 - Attendance: 11,527
1991-1992:  3:2 (13. Anastasiadis, 87. Toursounidis) - Attendance: 18,004
1990-1991:  3:2 (75. Anastasiadis, 80. Toursounidis) - Attendance: 23,974
1989-1990:  4:0 - Attendance: 30,716
1988-1989:  0:1 (55. Borbokis) - Attendance: 74,232 (2,000 PAOK fans in attendance) (OAKA Stadium)
1987-1988:  2:1 (44. Lagonidis) - Attendance: 46,027 (OAKA Stadium)
1986-1987:  1:1 (67. Skartados) - Attendance: 53,720 (OAKA Stadium)
1985-1986:  2:0 - Attendance: 37,604 (OAKA Stadium)
1984-1985:  2:1 (89. Paprica) - Attendance: 57,581  (OAKA Stadium)
1983-1984:  1:0 - Attendance: 25,032
1982-1983:  2:0 - Attendance: 28,393
1981-1982:  0:0 - Attendance: 35,450
1980-1981:  1:0 - Attendance: 35,500
1979-1980:  2:0 - Attendance: 34,470

Alpha Ethniki (Amateur/Semi-Professional)

1978-1979:  1:0 - Attendance: 27,704
1977-1978:  0:0 - Attendance: 15,714
1976-1977:  2:0 - Attendance: 39,200
1975-1976:  0:4 (24. Terzanidis, 56. Koudas, 72. Koudas, 78. Guerino) - Attendance: 39,030
1974-1975:  3:2 (4. Sarafis, 88. Sarafis) - Attendance: 39,210  (After the game 500 Olympiakos fans attacked the bus carrying PAOK players injuring Pellios, Tsiligris, Sarafis and Paridis)
1973-1974:  3:0 - Attendance: 41,110
1972-1973:  1:0 - Attendance: 41,052
1971-1972:  1:1 (76. Apostolidis) - Attendance: 37,405
1970-1971:  1:0 - Attendance: 34,960
1969-1970:  1:1 (24. Afentoulidis) - Attendance: 40,000
1968-1969:  3:0 - Attendance: 21,116
1967-1968:  0:1 (32. Afentoulidis) - Attendance: 28,914
1966-1967:  3:2 (67. Afentoulidis, 80. Charalambidis) - Attendance: 40,250
1965-1966:  2:0 - Attendance: 28,042
1964-1965:  5:2 (41. Koudas, 80. Litopoulos) - Attendance: 15,951
1963-1964:  2:0ff - Attendance: 24,796 (Nea Filadelfia Stadium) (Olympiakos wins 2:0 on forfeit as PAOK abandoned the game in the 34th minute, when Bulgarian referee Rumencev did not call a penalty on a handball inside Olympiakos box)
1962-1963:  3:2 (5. Savvidis, 67. Giakoumis)) - Attendance: 24,170
1961-1962:  6:0 - Attendance: 18,000
1960-1961:  1:1 (90. Vasiliadis) - Attendance: 25,000
1959-1960:  1:2 (38. Leandros, 44. Havanidis) - Attendance: 11,972

Panhellenic Championship

1958-1959:  4:0 - Attendance: ?
1957-1958:  0:1 (3. Havanidis) - Attendance: ?
1956-1957:  4:0 - Attendance: ?
1955-1956:  0:0 - Attendance: 20,000  (Leoforo Alexandras Stadium)
1954-1955:  1:0 - Attendance: ?  (Leoforo Alexandras Stadium)
1953-1954:  1:0 - Attendance: ?  (Leoforo Alexandras Stadium)
1947-1948:  2:1 (16. Migoussis) - Attendance: ?  (Leoforo Alexandras Stadium)
1936-1937:  2:0 - Attendance: ?  (Leoforo Alexandras Stadium)
1935-1936:  4:3 (7. Kalogiannis, 22. Kalogiannis, 30. Vafiadis) - Attendance: ?  (Leoforo Alexandras Stadium)
1931-1932:  2:3 (8. Kavourmatzis, 89. Papaiordanidis)- Attendance: ?  (Neo Falyro Podylatodromio)
1930-1931:  3:1 - Attendance: ? (Neo Falyro Podylatodromio)

Games played at G. Karaiskakis Stadium, except as noted.

GAMES:  72    WINS:  11   TIES:  8    LOSSES:  53

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Το σίγουρο είναι ότι ο Ολυμπιακός φοβάται. Δυστυχώς κι εμείς ψαχνόμαστε ακόμα. Μπίσεσβαρ ή όχι Μπίσεσβαρ; Ο Πέλκας έχει εξαφανιστεί. Καντουρί εξτρέμ; Λημνιός ή Βιεϊρίνια; Σφιντέρσκι ή Ακπόμ; Δύσκολα ερωτήματα που απ' ότι φαίνεται ο Αμπέλ δεν ξέρει ακόμα τις απαντήσεις.

Εν πάση περιπτώση, όποιος κι αν παίξει πρέπει να δώσει τα πάντα. Το ματς είναι τριπλή και όλα μπορούν να συμβούν.

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Goes without saying huge game. The fact they dropped points on the weekend means a draw is a decent result. They aren't in great form (we aren't playing great football ourselves) With a trip to London midweek, fatigue has been an issue for them coming off a European game. No doubt they'll be fired up for this one though. 

As Yiankos points out there are a few question marks over starting spots, I think Ferreira will stick with what he's gone with the last few matches. I think Limnios will start instead of El Kaddouri (or maybe Vierinha but it's less likely IMO) as he is a hard worker who will work up and down for the whole 90 and that's something that is needed in these types of matches. 

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Both Biseswar and Vieirinha will play, but I am not sure if they will start. I would save Vieirinha for the second half as he is not 100% fit yet. Also I would play Akpom over Swiderski in this game. I would also not risk starting Varela over Ingason in this game. One thing is certain though. El Kaddouri will start.

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I made a bet with a PAOKtzis
If PAOK wins, I buy a pack of bougates for his family (plus I have to put a PAOK avatar for 2 weeks) 
If Olympiakos wins, he will buy me a gyro 
If tied, we will eat out at a Greek restaurant together. 

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That avatar might grow on you

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Two weeks ago PAE PAOK asked ESKAN (Greek Doping Agency) for doping test (5 players from each team), but was turned  down. What did you expect when the head of ESKAN is tied to the Olympiakos organization. 

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Why are they pushing the test in the first place? Do they have some indication that certain someones are doping?

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There are rumors that their player Cisse has not been playing lately because of doping problems.

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Sounds like if they wanted to brush this under the rug, they'd agree to do tests and then just not randomly select him 🙂

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All Spanish crew as far as officiating is concerned, including refs at VAR. The only exception is the fourth ref which happens to be Tasos Sidiropoulos a well known anti-PAOK and allegedly a die hard AEK fan.

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22 hours ago, pash said:

That avatar might grow on you

Always with comments our pash.

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Someone's gotta generate good content over here

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3 hours ago, Blackhawk said:

Two weeks ago PAE PAOK asked ESKAN (Greek Doping Agency) for doping test (5 players from each team), but was turned  down. What did you expect when the head of ESKAN is tied to the Olympiakos organization. 

What's in name: the name of the chairman of ESKAN is Panagiotis Skandalakis!

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On 11/26/2019 at 1:58 PM, Blackhawk said:

Both Biseswar and Vieirinha will play, but I am not sure if they will start. I would save Vieirinha for the second half as he is not 100% fit yet. Also I would play Akpom over Swiderski in this game. I would also not risk starting Varela over Ingason in this game. One thing is certain though. El Kaddouri will start.

Λοιπόν παιδιά, το σκέφτηκα πολύ το θέμα, το συζήτησα κιόλας και κατέληξα στο ιδανικό σχήμα.

4-5-1 όπου βάζεις Αουγκούστο-Μίσιτς-Καντουρί στα χαφ, αριστερά Βιεϊρίνια και δεξιά Λημνιό. Και εξηγώ γιατί: Το πρόβλημα είναι ότι ο Μπίσεσβαρ παίζει σαν δεύτερος επιθετικός. Τρέχει, πιέζει τα σέντερ μπακ, κουράζεται, και όταν παίρνει τη μπάλα δεν έχει τη φρεσκάδα να κάνει τα δικά του. Καίγεται ίσως ο καλύτερός μας παίκτης και ταυτόχρονα δεν αποδίδει και στο αμυντικό κομμάτι (όπως ο Πέλκας).

4-5-1 λοιπόν, γιατί ο Ολυμπιακός θα μας πιέσει και με τριάδα στα χαφ θα είμαστε σφιχτοί αλλά και θα είμαστε δυνατοί για τις αντεπιθέσεις. Και αναλόγως πως θα πάει το ματς μπαίνει και ο Μπίσεσβαρ, ίσως στη θέση του Βιεϊρίνια αν έχει κουραστεί ο αρχηγός.

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nikh kai 3 bathmous me tous apogonous tou amerikanikou stolou, to rdelompou ths Troumpas, to xwriatolimano ths Athinas, thn Tzoulia ths Eurwphs !

PAOK MAKEDONIA O PRWTA8LHTHS BORRAS !

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if Meriah gets benched we will not cop any goals haha. One serious note he is good player but he needs to stop careless mistakes. I think at home we got this game just have be be careful of counter attack. 

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Όλοι λένε θα παίξει ο Αβραάμ στη θέση του Μεριά.

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Agree with your 4-5-1 @Yiankos especially considering we're playing away.  The only thing I would do different is play Biseswar on the left at the start of the game and sub in Vieirinha in the second half.  The start of the game is when the tackles will be flying thick and fast and I just wouldn't risk Vieirinha just yet.  There's still plenty of season to go and it's not worth the risk I say.

Also agree with @Blackhawk concerning starting Akpom.  This is the sort of game where he can excel.

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@Blackhawk What is sport plus?

 

On 11/27/2019 at 1:07 PM, Blackhawk said:

Two weeks ago PAE PAOK asked ESKAN (Greek Doping Agency) for doping test (5 players from each team), but was turned  down. What did you expect when the head of ESKAN is tied to the Olympiakos organization. 

Olympiakos has been drug tested at least 9 times already this season by UEFA, this is just a Public relations stunt IMO...

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Βρε καλώς τον τζατζίκι. Που χάθηκες εσύ βρε ψυχή;

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The red section is a bit slow at times, and this years CL campaign has been so vexxing, I tried to avoid posting after the games I was just too salty. So promising all the way to the group stages and then...some good moments with no results whatsoever.

As you can imagine, we are looking forward to this match in a big way! Gia na doume.

 

On 11/28/2019 at 11:28 AM, Yiankos said:

Όλοι λένε θα παίξει ο Αβραάμ στη θέση του Μεριά.

He was almost substituted at the half in London according to some reports.

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Don't be too hard on your team, man.

Πέρασες στους ομίλους του Τσάμπιονς Λιγκ όχι γιατί έχεις τόσο καλή ομάδα, αλλά γιατί ήσουν τυχερός στις κληρώσεις και απέφυγες μεγάλα λάθη. Αν έπεφτες στον Άγιαξ που πέφτουμε εμείς συνεχώς, δεν θα είχες τύχη. Το ότι πήρες ένα βαθμό ήταν αναμενόμενο. Τώρα αν κερδίσεις τον Ερυθρό Αστέρα, όλα καλά. Η 3η θέση θα είναι επιτυχία. Αν δεν κερδίσεις, άλλο καπέλο.

Και φυσικά επειδή έχεις ματς στην Ευρώπη, η απόδοση της ομάδας σου στο πρωτάθλημα είναι αρκετά μέτρια. Δεν λέω ότι ο ΠΑΟΚ είναι καλύτερος ή χειρότερος, για να μην παρεξηγηθώ.

Για μένα το πρόβλημα του Ολυμπιακού, είναι η ίδια η διοίκησή του. Από τη μία κλαίγεστε για τη διαιτησία σε κάθε αγωνιστική, από την άλλη αν χάσετε από τον ΠΑΟΚ θα διώξετε τον προπονητή. Όπως πριν δύο χρόνια που τα ρίχνατε στη διαιτησία και μετά πήγε ο Μαρινάκης και είπε δεν κάνετε ούτε για κωλόχαρτο και τους έδιωξε όλους. Και τα δύο αυτά μαζί δεν πάνε. Ή έχεις καλή ομάδα και καλό προπονητή, είτε η ομάδα και ο προπονητής δεν κάνουν. Και τα δύο δεν γίνονται. Αν ρωτάς εμένα, ο προπονητής είναι καλός και κάποιοι παίκτες όπως ο Σα, ο Γκιγιέρμε και ο Ποντένσε είναι πολύ καλοί, αλλά σίγουρα δεν έχεις 11 παίκτες στο ίδιο επίπεδο ακόμα.

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9 minutes ago, Yiankos said:

Don't be too hard on your team, man.

Πέρασες στους ομίλους του Τσάμπιονς Λιγκ όχι γιατί έχεις τόσο καλή ομάδα, αλλά γιατί ήσουν τυχερός στις κληρώσεις και απέφυγες μεγάλα λάθη. Αν έπεφτες στον Άγιαξ που πέφτουμε εμείς συνεχώς, δεν θα είχες τύχη. Το ότι πήρες ένα βαθμό ήταν αναμενόμενο. Τώρα αν κερδίσεις τον Ερυθρό Αστέρα, όλα καλά. Η 3η θέση θα είναι επιτυχία. Αν δεν κερδίσεις, άλλο καπέλο.

Και φυσικά επειδή έχεις ματς στην Ευρώπη, η απόδοση της ομάδας σου στο πρωτάθλημα είναι αρκετά μέτρια. Δεν λέω ότι ο ΠΑΟΚ είναι καλύτερος ή χειρότερος, για να μην παρεξηγηθώ.

Για μένα το πρόβλημα του Ολυμπιακού, είναι η ίδια η διοίκησή του. Από τη μία κλαίγεστε για τη διαιτησία σε κάθε αγωνιστική, από την άλλη αν χάσετε από τον ΠΑΟΚ θα διώξετε τον προπονητή. Όπως πριν δύο χρόνια που τα ρίχνατε στη διαιτησία και μετά πήγε ο Μαρινάκης και είπε δεν κάνετε ούτε για κωλόχαρτο και τους έδιωξε όλους. Και τα δύο αυτά μαζί δεν πάνε. Ή έχεις καλή ομάδα και καλό προπονητή, είτε η ομάδα και ο προπονητής δεν κάνουν. Και τα δύο δεν γίνονται. Αν ρωτάς εμένα, ο προπονητής είναι καλός και κάποιοι παίκτες όπως ο Σα, ο Γκιγιέρμε και ο Ποντένσε είναι πολύ καλοί, αλλά σίγουρα δεν έχεις 11 παίκτες στο ίδιο επίπεδο ακόμα.

I'm not being hard on the lads, they have put together some great performances, it is just the results are lacking, you need superior concentration levels for every minute at this level, especially if you are not one of the dogs. Look at how Spurs got embarrassed at home by Bayern, and Spurs is really not a bad team at all lol. 

During qualifiers our defence was air tight, we conceded like 2 goals in 8 matches. If Meria did not have such a horrible  campaign we would be second in the group right now. This team is the best it has been since Michel IMO. If we keep the coach and core squad (monkeys are more likely to fly out of my bum, this is Greece here), the team will show its quality, it is very high and no where near the 1 point we are sitting on. 

Sorry for the long post didn't mean to hijack your forums, enough talk from me for now, Sunday we will have more to speak of after the game.

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