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Euro 2020 Group J - Greece-Liechtenstein (8 September 2019, OAKA, Athens)

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57 minutes ago, Torontoblue said:

This statement is bang on. I'm thinking more like 10 yrs. 

but next World Cup qualifying is going to be harder.  It's not been finalized yet but it looks like it's going to be 10 groups. Only the group winners qualify and the 10 2nd place finishers will join the 2 top teams from the nations league. For a playoff for only 3 teams. Europe only has 13 spots  

Meaning Greece is in league C so it won't matter if we finish 1st. We are so low in rankings we will never be a top 2. 

Greece keeps going down in FIFA rankings so next qualifying we will be in pot 5 probably and get a hard group.

we won't qualify boys lol

Definitely it's harder we play with the real football nations in Europe not like in Cream puff CONCACAF we're there boys and a certain country can't qualify for decades 😁 and hasn't even reached the hex since 98 again 😁 

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44 minutes ago, J1078 said:

I agree i think this team is way to damaged and we keep falling further and further it will be next to impossible for us to qualify for 2022.. There is no easy fix for this team it needs to be torn down front the top and that needs to start with the Epo, then the team needs to start looking at the youth as this generation of players can’t cut it.. The Epo needs to start drilling it in to players  at a young age about the NT... Our development of players is so weak meanwhile other countries like Portugal develop there players at a young age, with great training facilities and clear cut plan.. This core of players don’t have the heart or work ethic and don’t bleed for the NT with the exception of a few.. In regards to 2022 we will be in a ridiculously hard group due to how low in the rankings we have fallen and our only hope is the nations league and that is not even realistic at this point. I honestly can’t see how the NT gets out of this as they keep looking for band-aid fixes and that’s why it will take years to correct this..

The EPO are to blame for not extending Santos he wanted to stay back then. He speaks the language loves Greece and had a strategy at all levels but no the EPO forced him out and then goes and helps Portugal win there first major tournament Euro  2016. Then the EPO hire the joker Ranieri to replace him and the carousel of coaches that have since followed. Bravo EPO! 

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But we can forget the nations league to get to the World Cup. Only the top 2 best teams who haven't qualified through the group stages will qualify for the playoffs. Greece has no chance in this because of being in group C. We are to far down the pecking order. 

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In his interview van Schip is bang on, he knows what he is talking about at least verbally. 

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World cups are out of the question. Future Euros are a possibility but still hard. Van Schip really had no idea what he had walked into. As much as im not a fan the rot had set in long before his arrival.

However i did say one thing about Van Schip seeing him coach in Melbourne and thats that his teams always copped goals in the last 10 minutes of games with alarming regularity...yesterday was no exception.

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6 hours ago, kbxk508 said:

This was a match we should have won without a coach, won it with our reserves. I cannot believe a team of professionals couldn't achieve a result. You'd think the introduction of a new coach would give players motivation. Instead, and I'll quote the commentator our attack was laboured. Not one decent dribble in 90 minutes.

I anticipate that there will be some serious omissions vs Italy and more new faces in the squad.

Realistically we are a long shot for the WC 2022, and it may be another 5 years before we make a major tournament again.

Im willing to accept not making qatar if it means we sort ourselves out and make a serious tilt for 2026 us/canada/mexico...short of Australia or Greece hosting that would be my next favourite world cup to attend.

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They should sort out the s%$#! in the EPO. 2022 is definitely out of the question. But 2024 Euro would be a possibility because of the nations league. If we don't screw that up. 

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Kone from Western Utd fc might be an option higher up.

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11 minutes ago, ausgreek said:

Kone from Western Utd fc might be an option higher up.

When was the last time this guy played a serious match? Anyone in a mickey mouse league like the Australian or mls should be automatically ruled out.

And on Cyprus no crap they are winning 3-0..they actually look like they wanna be there and are competing hard.

Even the blockheads are up 2-0 at latvia..another game we would have no chance of winning right now.

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And with all of Kone's experience should be v.c...it is just the natural next move.

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Hope to get half the team back in the near future...Fortounis, Mitro, Donis, Retsos and Kyriakos.

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9 hours ago, J1078 said:

I know most of us are not a fan of this coach but when you listen to his post game press conference he is very logical and I like what he had to say.. He understands this team is broken and changes need to be made and it will be a long process..

 

I’m willing to give him time to come up with a roster of players who he thinks want to be a part of the NT and who will work in his system. The team was unfortunate not to get the victory yesterday lots of good chances koulouris header of the bar, Manolas shot of the bar, a goal called of incorrectly because the ref said the ball had gone over by line on tsimkas cross back to box which koulouris put in. Masouras had a nice shot labeled for the top corner that was remarkably saved. 

I still can’t believe how Manolas got beat on that goal by Salonovic. That’s the way it’s going right now. I 

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The goal was it was, a quick player had half the field to work with, he beat our CB's for pace it happens. Manolas has clocked the quickest speed in Serie A, the other player was just express quick and finished well. He is one of a few players who play at a decent level in the Liechtenstein squad in the Swiss league with Thun. When you don't bury your chances you leave yourself open to counters that may cost you. Still no excuse but on another day we are 3-0 up and that counter probably never happens and if it does we win 3-1. 

There are issues no doubt, the good thing is it seems Van't Schip is going to stick around and be given the opportunity to lead us into qualifying next year let's see what he can do and if he's backed by the players, that's the key. They are the ones who call the shots in Greece. 

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I liked what the coach had to say, and I’m glad that he looks and sounds like a professional, compared to Anastasiadis

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The highly criticised players from the Lietchenstein match were Samaris for wayward pass and slow with ball at his feet, Bakakis not having the skill at this level even though he does alot of running and Manolas for not spotting the opposing player slip through that gap, and Manolas got outpaced by the faster player to score. 

Finally, I hope everyone is Finally over Manolas and his continuous garbage cause he is a name only, a light of other days. I hope Skip plays younger players sooner rather than later.

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On Manolas speed: I never thought is was really that fast; in game situations I have seen him get outpaced/outrun occasionally even in Superleague.

I believe it happened on another of NT losses a couple of years back against North Ireland.

He reach Pukki but how fast Pukki is? However I was surprised he was not able to faul him. Actually in the play Papastathopoulos covered more ground.

Quincy that used to play for PAO was really fast.

I cannot play blame him for being outrun; I blame the CBs position.You can not be 5 meters ahead of a CF.

 

 

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2 hours ago, ausgreek said:

The highly criticised players from the Lietchenstein match were Samaris for wayward pass and slow with ball at his feet, Bakakis not having the skill at this level even though he does alot of running and Manolas for not spotting the opposing player slip through that gap, and Manolas got outpaced by the faster player to score. 

Finally, I hope everyone is Finally over Manolas and his continuous garbage cause he is a name only, a light of other days. I hope Skip plays younger players sooner rather than later.

You are right in a way. Manolas is the most useful player to have on this team. Great at headers, especially in corners. Great defender and has pace. I was really surprised he couldn’t catch the Lichtenstein forward. I expected more. Even Sokratis was trying to catch him. After they scored my heart sunk. I couldn’t believe it also Barkas should’ve done better but he isn’t to blame.

Samaris and Bakakis are not good enough for this team. We have to find replacements. Maybe Tachtsidis needs to come back.

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Coach van't Schip has copped a lot of criticism after the poor results.

I found this interesting ..

"... ακόμη και για έναν 'μπαρουτοκαπνισμένο', εγνωσμένης αξίας τεχνικό, το έργο 'ανοικοδόμησης' της εθνικής θα έμοιαζε δύσκολο και χρονοβόρο, and "Πόσω μάλλον για τον Ολλανδό, που προπονητικά δεν είχε να επιδείξει κάτι εντυπωσιακό και που έμοιαζε να έχει εκείνος περισσότερο ανάγκη από μια τέτοια συνεργασία, παρά το αντίθετο..."

and

"Σε κάθε περίπτωση η επιλογή του Φαν'τ Σιπ δεν ενθουσιάζει, καθώς μπορεί να ήταν ένας εξαιρετικός ποδοσφαιριστής με θητεία σε Άγιαξ και Τζένοα μετρώντας 41 συμμετοχές με την εθνική Ολλανδίας, ωστόσο ως τεχνικός δεν έχει τίποτε εντυπωσιακό στο παλμαρέ του.:"

Here is the full article https://www.contra.gr/podosfairo/ta-6-vimata-tis-ethnikis-elladas-mechri-tin-anypolipsia.7497910.html

The Greece NT job is a big challenge for any coach, but the fact van't Schip has been to Australia and Mexico is not necessarily a negative as it shows that he is prepared to move outside his comfort zone to further his own development. I am not sure he will succeed, but what I see is a professional who communicates well with the press and therefore with the players. His answers to difficult questions shows he is a coach who understand and realises the situation he finds himself in and what needs to be done. Greece NT is a team lacking in confidence, lacking in quality in key areas and undeserving of sold out stadiums. Injuries, retirements, an underperforming league, a lack of players playing in big leagues and a side that built it's success on defence are all contributing factors.

I remember in Australia between 2014-17 van't Schip was very respected for the job he did with foundational club Melbourne City (fka. Melbourne Heart). The club built a reputation for attacking and high-scoring soccer, and had it's most sustained period of on-field success during van't Schip's time in charge. He left the club mid-way through the 2016/17 season to be with his terminally ill father. He formed a good working relationship with Michael Valkanis as his assistant and they are both now working together in the NT. These guys are no mugs, they have an eye for talent, and will roll their sleeves and will work with and bring the best talent to the NT.

Another thing, van't Schip made it clear he will need time, he will work with youger players but won't automatically drop senior experienced players if they can help the team in next 2 years as he restarts the team. 

Call me crazy, but I am actually excited and look forward to Italy and Bosnia in Oct.

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9 hours ago, paokarag4 said:

The goal was it was, a quick player had half the field to work with, he beat our CB's for pace it happens. Manolas has clocked the quickest speed in Serie A, the other player was just express quick and finished well. He is one of a few players who play at a decent level in the Liechtenstein squad in the Swiss league with Thun. When you don't bury your chances you leave yourself open to counters that may cost you. Still no excuse but on another day we are 3-0 up and that counter probably never happens and if it does we win 3-1. 

There are issues no doubt, the good thing is it seems Van't Schip is going to stick around and be given the opportunity to lead us into qualifying next year let's see what he can do and if he's backed by the players, that's the key. They are the ones who call the shots in Greece. 

Van’t Schip in host post match news conference said at HT they talked about not letting Salonovic hit us with his speed on the counter, unfortunately he did. As you said it should have been 3 nil or more at the time so it wouldn’t have mattered as much.

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Greece tied Liechenstien at home.   This is probably as low as it gets.  

I remember the days on here years back when  people would complain about guys like Katsouranis.   Well you got what you wanted look at you now. 

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1 hour ago, Polikastano said:

Greece tied Liechenstien at home.   This is probably as low as it gets.  

I remember the days on here years back when  people would complain about guys like Katsouranis.   Well you got what you wanted look at you now. 

You say look at you know like this doesn’t effect you... are you not a fan?? Either way at some point those guys were going to retire anyways so what’s your point??

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