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SL–R5: Olympiakos - PAOK (30-Sep-18, 20:30 EEST)

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3 hours ago, SydneyPAOK said:

Not playing well but winning and that's all that matters. Years ago if PAOK wasn't playing well we would be guaranteed to lose matches against olympiakos and aek.

Spot on.

It’s funny, last season in Athens we should’ve beaten them and we lost to a whatever goal.  Today the opposite happened.

The good thing is even playing quite average we are still hard to beat.  Having said that I don’t think this is sustainable to win the title.  We need to improve.

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Everyone points out that after the 0-1 Olympiakos was the only team trying to attack. I agree.

However, Olympiakos dominated the first 15' of the game. After that and until the 0-1 I don't think that anyone felt we were in danger. We were in control of the game and Olympiakos couldn't actually create problems besides the free kicks or the corner kicks they had.

Now, we we all tried to defend after the 0-1 that's another story. I didn't like it myself, but I cannot point out that the offside in Prijovic could have been the 0-2 and the end of the game.

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Polli swsta ta les yiankos

I too didn't like that once we took the lead we basically went full park the bus mode, we invited all that pressure and in the end were lucky they didn't make us pay. It doesn't take anything away from the win except we get to hear the gavs saying "21-4 telikes h megalih omada fanhke" Their saltiness is very sweet to me. 

I read that this is the first time since the Alpha ethniki started in 1959 we have won our first 5 league games. 2 other occasions we've started with 4 wins and a draw. 

http://www.novasports.gr/podosfairo/ellada/super-league/article/411078/espase-to-rekor-tou-o-paok/

EDIT: Something I forgot, for another game against a good team we saw Vieirinha isn't capable of playing as a full back. He was run ragged it by Poedence. I love Vieirinha and think he absoutlely has a spot in the team but in these sort of games derbies and against good european opponents he needs to be played as a winger. 

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I was actually hoping that when Tosca came on, that Vieirinha would be pushed forward. Especially since it looked like Biseswar might have been injured. Been pretty happy with Tosca, he's not Matos going forward but has been very solid.

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Congrats PAOKares on your victory. Just bad luck for Olympiakos today. We'll get you in Toumba next time 😉 

 

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@paokarag4 agree about Vieirinha.  At least in the form he’s in lately.  Having said that the goal did come from his cross ha ha.

One thing that was concerning was all the headers we lost at set pieces.  I thought that with Matos, Varela, Crespo and Prijovic we’d be all right but apparently not.  Surprising and concerning.  Something we definitely have to work on.

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 The only time I worried was when they had a free kick or a corner. They did seem to have some considerable hight and size on us but still, runners were not picked up and too many either ball watching expecting someone else to deal with it or too busy watching ‘their man’ rather than the actual ball and then not dealing with either... basically we were brutal at defending set peices. 

 Paschalakis was outstanding last night and made some world class saves. He gets over excited sometimes and causes his own problems but if he didn’t have those blips/faults then he wouldn’t be at PAOK. His passion is really something to be admired and I love it! 

 One thing that did annoy me last night was how many times we were caught of side. So many attacks broke down due to it. 

Regardless of whether we were lucky or not, I couldn’t care less and to get any result last night was always going to be very difficult. Especially after the run of games we have had recently.

 I’m absalutley delighted and if we can go to Athens/Piraeus , not play well and get a win.. well that just shows how far this team has come in recent years. 

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4 hours ago, DunfermlineAthleticPAOK said:

 I’m absalutley delighted and if we can go to Athens/Piraeus , not play well and get a win.. well that just shows how far this team has come in recent years. 

Do you honestly believe that? I would be happy for the win too of course if I was you, but if you watched the game, I don't see where you saw signs that the team has made positive strides. Again, congrats for the win and it is a big one at that, but PAOK was outmatched badly in every metric, even in goals we outscored you, just put the ball in the wrong goal.....  😜

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Nah. We're in a slump and you still couldn't score. Might have been your best shot this season.

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Well, we will have to agree to disagree maybe. But I will say this, open bet to any and all PAOK fans for the title. I will take any bet I can cover from any poster for the month of October if there are any gamblers here that think PAOK is the real deal this season. You can reply here or by PM or pigeon courier wtv you like.

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10 hours ago, Tzatziki said:

Do you honestly believe that? I would be happy for the win too of course if I was you, but if you watched the game, I don't see where you saw signs that the team has made positive strides. Again, congrats for the win and it is a big one at that, but PAOK was outmatched badly in every metric, even in goals we outscored you, just put the ball in the wrong goal.....   😜

Yes, i honestly believe that.  We played Chelsea, AEK, Aris and Olympiakos in a short space of time and came away with 2 wins against the next two best teams in the league. You can comfort yourself that we played badly but that's the point, we didn't play well yet and we still won.

It's funny that other teams fans are trying to swing 2 wins for PAOK as a negative.. but that just highlights how desperate the other teams have become. We have maximum points from all our games and the best start to a league campaign since the 1950's ( correct me if I'm wrong).

If we can do all of this playing poorly and below our capabilities then you must be petrified at the thought of a PAOK on top form.

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It was a dreadful performance. Yes, Olympiakos created more but in years to come people will remember the score and not how many chances you missed.

I hope this slump does not last much longer.

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17 hours ago, Tzatziki said:

Well, we will have to agree to disagree maybe. But I will say this, open bet to any and all PAOK fans for the title. I will take any bet I can cover from any poster for the month of October if there are any gamblers here that think PAOK is the real deal this season. You can reply here or by PM or pigeon courier wtv you like.

I am open to bets dude.

But seriously, you won Asteras at the 92'. A match you could have easily lost if the post of Asteras went in. You won Panionios in the extra time again and we all know how. You missed a hell lot of chances against PAOK and PAOK played poorly. But what does that mean? We lost by Benfica 1-4. If you watched the game it should be a 2-2 easily based on how both teams played and the chances.

Do you remember Varela scoring own goal in Karaiskakis? The tall center back you had last year scoring by accident? Djalma Campos missing clear cut chances? What does that mean? You still won those two games.

In my opinion, Olympiakos is a good team. Better than AEK. Fortounis can be great. Lazaros in his day can be very good. Toure and Natcho have amazing quality. Nonetheless, they are still benched and we didn't see them in a long run of matches. What is true is you lack a center forward that can put the ball in the net. And your center backs are shaky. 

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22 hours ago, Yiankos said:

I am open to bets dude.

I am all ears...

 

On 10/2/2018 at 8:20 AM, DunfermlineAthleticPAOK said:

you must be petrified at the thought of a PAOK on top form.

Clearly! :hysterical:

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13 hours ago, Tzatziki said:

Clearly! :hysterical:

That was probably the best you have played this season and that was us (possibly at our worst) playing well below what we can.. and yet we still beat you.

Interesting that in all the games with foreign officials, PAOK have a 100% record and no controversy... who'd have thought it?

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5 hours ago, DunfermlineAthleticPAOK said:

That was probably the best you have played this season and that was us (possibly at our worst) playing well below what we can.. and yet we still beat you.

Interesting that in all the games with foreign officials, PAOK have a 100% record and no controversy... who'd have thought it?

The controversy is created within in Greece.  Greeks always blame someone else for their misfortunes,  and It has been this way for a century.  Blame the British,  CIA, Nixon, the list goes on.  There's no conspiracy my friend, Olympiakos has been the most successful team in Greece because they're run professionally,  and the only team that can be compared to other professional clubs outside Greece.   The rest are just starting to figure this out now.

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1 hour ago, BostonThanatos said:

SO according to your post, you deny any corruption in the Greek league over the past 30 

I think the last 30 years PAO and AEK had a few good moments,  but for the most part they were run to the ground,  and PAOK was nonexistent.  Olympiakos was clearly run professionally and succeeded.  Is there corruption? Sure there's corruption everywhere around the globe.  That said,   if your team is run professionally,  and has world class players,  makes millions on transfers you will succeed.   Question for you.  The last 30 years can you tell me how many big transfer moves PAOK, PAO and AEK have made that brought them in big money?    You call that professional run?   Olympiakos was clearly on another level.

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I'm just not sure if you're trolling or serious.  

My analogy to Olympiakos success is this.  If I rob a bank and then use the money to open a barber shop, I now have a legitimate business.  Then I rob another bank and use that money to open a restaurant, now I have another legitimate business.  Now I want to open a 3rd business, but the money from my 2 legitimated businesses isn't enough, so I supplement it by robbing another bank.  Now I have 3 businesses and I'm making money hand over fist.  I'm making legitimate money...

Olympiakos' success and organization is built on a foundation of corruption.  I'm not saying this as a PAOK fan, but as an observer.  Oly usually had the strongest roster, but there's been a ton of times when they got that extra push to make sure they get their CL money.  In the last 30 years theres been a few seasons when PAOK legitimately deserved to win the champions ship.  Along with AEK and PAO.  But there's always been that extra push for OLY.   OLY could not sustain itself without the CL money so it went to great lengths to keep getting it.

It reminds me of the Benfica fans this year.  They NEEDED to beat PAOK because if they didn't get their 40something million Euro's for UEFA, they knew that they would be selling off at least 4-5 of their top players immediately.  

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In the last 30 years PAO received CL cash at least 8 times,  and I believe 4 of them was not shared.  Also PAO had the strongest owner in Greece,  and was president of the league for many years....so why would he allow Olympiakos to be over him?  The first 30 years when the family was in charge,  PAO won 10 championships,  Olympiakos 12,  AEK 5,  PAOK 2 and AEL 1.   For myself it makes more sense to believe that Olympiakos stuck together built a world class franchise,   and the other 3 fell apart and destroyed each other within.   And let's not forget the corruption within our clubs....how much money went missing?

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The biggest benefit Oly had over the years was steady ownership, and ownership that genuinely cares about the team.  I'll give them that.  

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Some Panathinaikos fans suffer from Stockholm syndrome I guess...

But also true is that Panathinaikos board silently (or not) agreed to be No. 2 of Greek football when Kokkalis was running business.

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18 hours ago, Yiankos said:

Some Panathinaikos fans suffer from Stockholm syndrome I guess...

But also true is that Panathinaikos board silently (or not) agreed to be No. 2 of Greek football when Kokkalis was running business.

Lets get back to the 90s.   PAOs and AEKs 8 year run on championship was coming to a end,  and Kokkalis was getting started on his Olympiakos legacy.  Let us not forget Olympiakos was in deep crisis throughout the 80s and into the 90s.  At the end of the decade AEKs problems were already running high,  players leaving for free,  high paid players coming in and debts accumulating to enormous numbers while tens of millions missing.   PAOs situation was different but still distinctive....If I cout there's at least 7 high profile players that walked for free,  and replaced with millions of dollars....the family showed signs of interest winning a few more championships while performing well in the CL,   but then all of a sudden things changed.   What was evident there was in house fighting Pateras showed up,  gate 13 went into attack and the rest is history.   I don't believe Kokkalis planned some kind of dictatorship take over,  what we have here is very simple....while PAOK,  PAO and AEK were struggling to get their houses in order,   Kokkalis and Olympiakos established a well run football club.   Winning championships over clubs in turmoil is easy.

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