Tzatziki Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 29 minutes ago, italosPAOK4 said: kanonika 8elei mhdenismo tous karagkiozhdes kai nikh emeis sta xartia 3 - 0 Whatever you are smoking, send me some too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tzatziki Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 15 hours ago, Bananas said: We are a stronger team than Olympiakos and they took the opportunity to avoid the game. So why don't the "fans"at Toumba just give your team a chance to prove it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pash Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 The one guy? Good question. Perhaps he'll explain himself in court. Unless you thought they were also going to throw the bike onto the field? I look forward to this weekend's bloodbath at your stadium. I wonder how many PAO players are going to leave on a cart? Hopefully the rules are as "carefully applied" there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antaeus7 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 This better not end up like 2006-07, where the league handed Olympiakos points on a silver platter and screwed AEK in getting the Greek Championship. Otherwise, I will never support that team again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athens4 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 2 hours ago, Tzatziki said: So why don't the "fans"at Toumba just give your team a chance to prove it? We caught the guy. Unlike in certain stadiums, our cameras work. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tzatziki Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Yes, you have caught this same guy a few times already, bravo sas! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athens4 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 You still haven't got the point. The cameras in Karaiskaki were turned off (apparently). You shouldn't even be in the first division anymore. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athens4 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 With regards to the game, I can't see us escaping the ridiculous -3 punishment. We were in pole position for the title and now that gangster Melissanidis is going to lift the trophy. What a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athens4 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 The fan who threw the paper should be punished with community service as well as a life ban from the stadium. Not one flare was lit yet that idiot just had to throw it. I hope he gets a hiding from some of the syndesmites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaous Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, Tzatziki said: Whatever you are smoking, send me some too. No, he is actually right about that. Olympiakos was the one who abandoned the game. It was not postponed by the referee, which means that Olympiakos can and will be punished for not playing the match. Of course you will argue that Garcia was injured and had to leave just like Ivic did last year. However, he went straight to the changing rooms and was not checked by the doctor for at least 15 minutes while Ivic was immediately checked by the doctor. Typically, you will say that the doctor was associated with PAOK, however, he was approved by the EPO which makes this argument void. Furthermore, while Garcia had not even been checked by the doctor, Theodoridis already said into the camera that he will take the team and leave, which is evidence that Olympiakos did not want to start the match regardless if whether or not Garcia was seriously injured. Furthermore, Garcia was not listed as the official coach of Olympiakos. By UEFA regulations the list oft team officials needs to be handed in 75 minutes before the game starts and at this time the official coach of Olympiakos was Kontis. Garcia on the other hand was by UEFA regulations no team official and had no business at the pitch. Which further means that Olympiakos was able to play. Of course now you will refer to the match report which lists Garcia as your coach, but again, the UEFA is clear on that the list needs to be handed in 75 minutes before the game starts and cannot be changed after the time is up like Olympiakos did. So whether you like it or not, but Garcia was by UEFA regulations no team official in this case. This makes it more difficult for Olympiakos to explain why they could not start the match. Additionally, Olympiakos demand to deduct 3 points from PAOK is juristically speaking impossible, since the law Olympiakos is refering to only considers official team members as I will show below in red. Εάν από την ρίψη αντικειμένων υπάρξει σωματική βλάβη προσώπου νόμιμα ευρισκομένου στον αγωνιστικό χώρο, τιμωρείται με χρηματική ποινή από έξι χιλιάδες ευρώ (6.000) έως ογδόντα χιλιάδων ευρώ (80.000). Στην περίπτωση που υπάρξει οριστική διακοπή του αγώνα, επιπρόσθετα επιβάλλεται κατακύρωση του αγώνα υπέρ της αντίπαλης ομάδας και αφαίρεση τριών (3) βαθμών από το βαθμολογικό πίνακα και ποινή διεξαγωγής αγώνα χωρίς θεατές δύο (2) έως τρείς (3) αγωνιστικές». So as I see it, and as more and more details come out of this incidence I am 99% certain that Olympiakos will be the one who will get a point deduction for not starting the game. I have to say, if Olympiakos was more clever and organized this could have ended really bad for us, but given the above information I see no danger for PAOK. Though I think that PAOK will face a monetary fine and probably 2-3 ghost games for an incidence with an individual who had no business at the pitch. Now the only question I am uncertain of is if whether or not the game will be repeated or if the game will result in a 3-0 in favor of PAOK. I hope for the latter because then the Gavroi would cry even louder and complain how much of a Halifis Savvidis is (even though Olympiakos controlled the Greek football themselves for 20 years). Not to mention that we would defeat them with their own dirty tricks which made them avoid heavy punishment for too many years. Anyway, I can only repeat myself here. It is not PAOK's fault that Olympiakos is sloppy organized and forgot to list Garcia as their coach in time. It is not PAOK's fault that Olympiakos wanted to leave without hesitation and actually left the pitch. And it will be not PAOK's fault that Olympiakos will be punished for that. What is PAOK's only fault is that this "fan" and any other "fans" like him are endangering our chance of getting the championship because of a vlakia, and for that the "fan", and every other fan who is like him need certainly to be punished too. Edited February 27, 2018 by Klaous 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pash Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 ^ long time no see man, welcome back! Good write up. I wish I were as confident, but I guess we'll know eventually. Probably around June. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackhawk Posted February 27, 2018 Author Share Posted February 27, 2018 There are a lot of issues that will need to be sorted out by the courts, and that will take time. I am sure there is other material that both teams have that are net being made public. There has to be video from stadium cameras that exists and that will clearly show he was not even hit by the paper. If PAOK can clearly show with evidence that he was not hit in the face by the paper, they should also sue him and Karapapas/Theodoridis in the courts for fabricating a fake accident. If we can do that I can see Garcia coming out spilling the beans that he was forced into it by Olympiakos officials. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaous Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Thanks Pash, I was too busy with my studies but I often visited the forum as a silent reader and now the gavros fan provoked me to be active again. I have read a lot about this incident and if what PAE PAOK claims is true, I cannot see how there will be a 3 point deduction for PAOK since the law is clear on that. Olympiakos was too sloppy and has done mistakes that make the case much different in comparison to the Ivic incident. There will be a judgement on Thursday, however, Olympiakos will try to appeal any decision that is not in their favor. Still, I expect that they will get the fapa of their life at the courts. I trust in the evidence of PAE PAOK and the power of Savvidis. The tide has turned. You will see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackhawk Posted February 27, 2018 Author Share Posted February 27, 2018 Incidentally today Garcia posted something on twitter that what happened at Toumba is no good for Greek soccer and that it punishes both teams, etc. Minutes later that post was deleted and his Twitter account was closed. Mark my words, he is counting days at Olympiakos. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bananas Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 6 hours ago, Tzatziki said: So why don't the "fans"at Toumba just give your team a chance to prove it? Dunno man, maybe we were afraid we would lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yiankos Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 Good posts guys. So, the whole thing will be played on who will be the judges and how good PAOK's vs Oly's attorneys will proved to be. In the meantime, AEKtzides blame that PAOK is being helped by the referees this year and their high IQ coach is blaming Atromitos for wanting to deduct points from his super team and not just go and lose as Xanthi did last week. What a circus... I just hope that this will make our players angry and thirsty to simply destroy every team from now on. But seriously, with all these things, I am afraid of what will happen in a potential cup final PAOK-AEK again. I mean, thankfully it won't be a PAOK - Olympiakos final. This go worse every single year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaous Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 (edited) Έκθεση ΕΛ.ΑΣ: Μακριά από την Τούμπα οι τραυματισμοί αστυνομικών To SDNA φέρνει στο φως την έκθεση της Αστυνομίας για τα επεισόδια εκτός Τούμπας. Το επίσημο έγγραφο κάνει λόγο για τραυματισμούς αστυνομικών, μακριά όμως από το γήπεδο. Ελαχιστοποιείται ο κίνδυνος για τον ΠΑΟΚ για τα συγκεκριμένα επεισόδια. http://www.sdna.gr/podosfairo/superleague/article/438676/ekthesi The Greek police is backing up PAOK and claims that the riots from PAOK fans were not near the stadium making the punishment that Olympiakos demanded for whatever happened outside of Toumpa stadium unlikely. This is just another indicator that Savvidis has good relations with SYRIZA. As Raptopoulos is saying for months now PAOK's influence in Greece is growing and getting stronger. I am more confident than ever that Olympiakos is (over-)due to get the biggest fapa of their dirty history in the next days. Savvidis good relations with SYRIZA will prove to be the key here. The momentum is with PAOK and to me it seems like the score of the "derby at the courts" is going from 0:1 to 1:1 and will turn upside down to 3:1 in favor of PAOK eventually. Edited February 28, 2018 by Klaous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaous Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 11 minutes ago, Yiankos said: Good posts guys. So, the whole thing will be played on who will be the judges and how good PAOK's vs Oly's attorneys will proved to be. In the meantime, AEKtzides blame that PAOK is being helped by the referees this year and their high IQ coach is blaming Atromitos for wanting to deduct points from his super team and not just go and lose as Xanthi did last week. What a circus... I just hope that this will make our players angry and thirsty to simply destroy every team from now on. But seriously, with all these things, I am afraid of what will happen in a potential cup final PAOK-AEK again. I mean, thankfully it won't be a PAOK - Olympiakos final. This go worse every single year. AEK is crying because they know that their team gave 150% the last months and is falling apart right now. I had read that Simoes (their best player in my opinion) as well as Araouzo and Hult got injured after the match with Atromitos, while the rest is obviously exhausted from so many games. Why do you think AEK proposed a break from all league matches? They know that they are finished. I have wondered for months now how they are even able to give at every game 150% but now comes finally the time where they will pay the price for not having a good bench to rest some players. Most of our players (besides Matos) are rested and only had one game per week. I am absolutely sure that we will win the remaining 7 matches in the league while AEK will crumble. They had an outstanding performance until the Dynamo game but they simply cannot pull that off a whole season. But we can, and we will. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pash Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 Klaous for president! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antaeus7 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 I for one have said that PAOK are the ones we love to see them win the Greek Championship. They have been by far the best club in Greece. Hands down! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaous Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 11 minutes ago, jvc said: ^^Nothing will work....only one solution, ban Greece from Europe for 2 years. During that period, the government should hold teams accountable for security, and If they get things under control then let the teams back in. This unfortunately will never happen until UEFA has had enough and force's the issue. That being said, the SUPA league the arm pit of Europe, is controlled by the highest bidder. When was the last time you seen the big 4 get together to strategize for a better tomorrow? When was the last time you seen them come up with ways to grow the product? Maybe 30 years ago? The big 4 as they're called in Greece, have become little bitches in Europe, they simply can't compete in the CL....Example the big 4 in Portugal the rosters are valued at 170 million, what's Olympiakos worth? THEY HAVE NO BUSINESS IN THE CHAMPIONS LEAGUE!!! Olympiakos is desperately trying to keep that CL cow GOING...IT'S OVER!!! You have become a putana club like the rest of Greece. The only solution is to get together with everyone and creat a profitable product. This will not work. Nothing will save Greece from Greek mentality. Either you are part of the establishment, or you are against it until you are about to become what you hated. I think PAOK is going this transformation right now. A united Greece, especially a united football league will not work. Greece is the most disjointed country I know on this world. Just look at the last years, everyone in Greece is a backstabber. For instance, 10 years ago Olympiakos stabbed in AEK's back. But now things have changed and they are trying to screw us and even consider it as a better outcome if AEK wins the championship. They know that Savvidis is more of a threat to them since Savvidis invests a lot more money into Greek football. The naming sponsor of the Super League for example is Souroti which is owned by Savvidis. Another example of backstabbing would be Panathinaikos in the playoffs against us some years ago. Although Savvidis tried to have good relations with Alafouzos, Alafouzos screwed us with a lawsuit because of what happend in the semi final against Olympiakos. The result was a 3 point deduction in the playoffs. Last year we stabbed you in the back through Ivic, and I believe after that Alafouzos started a hate campaign against Savvidis on Skai. Then in January Savvidis tried to give three good players to Panathinaikos on loan and payed by PAOK without getting anything from Panathinaikos back. As strangely as that seems, I think he wants to buy the away match against you with that. I cannot imagine any other motivation behind that move. However, there are no friendly relationships between the big clubs and I do not trust Alafouzos. His latest tweet regarding PAOK just shows how much of a snake he is. And although I have not seen any backstabbing by AEK yet, I am sure that Savvidis and Melissanidis are not good friends either. Still, I have to admit that Melissanidis and AEK in general is really quiet in comparison to the other three presidents/clubs. I cannot remember any complaints of him or any other AEK official complaining about Savvidis. I only remember that he complained a bit about the offside goal from the Kypello and called it sthmeno but he did not cry that much. Maybe they had a deal considering that PAOK played really unmotivated in the playoffs, but who knows. The Greek league is full of corruption and deals behind closed doors. It is Greece after all, expect the unexpected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaous Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 43 minutes ago, Molon Lave said: I for one have said that PAOK are the ones we love to see them win the Greek Championship. They have been by far the best club in Greece. Hands down! You... I like you. 1 hour ago, pash said: Klaous for president! As you wish, king pash. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antaeus7 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 (edited) Klaous, I support Olympiakos, I don't homer my club like Attilio or ThrylosG7 does and get too defensive when the club gets criticized for doing things that are hurtful for the Greek League. Every year Olympiakos can't win championships like it's nonchalant. No, I am very outspoken of the crappy owner we got and a terrible coaching staff. They are hitting rock bottom and they need to be punished badly so the club can change for the better and start from the bottom up. I will not cry if they don't win another championship in 5 to 10 years or play in UEFA competitions for a while. Edited February 28, 2018 by Molon Lave 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nea Bafra Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 6 minutes ago, Molon Lave said: Klaous, I support Olympiakos, I don't homer my club like Attilio or ThrylosG7 does and get too defensive when the club gets criticized for doing things that are hurtful for the Greek League. Every year Olympiakos can't win championships like it's nonchalant. No, I am very outspoken of the crappy owner we got and a terrible coaching staff. They are hitting rock bottom and they need to be punished badly so the club can change for the better and start from the bottom up. I will not cry if they don't win another championship in 5 to 10 years or play in UEFA competitions for a while. Like you Molon Lave, I would prefer to see my club well organised, well run and playing reasonable football that improves slowly and steadily than I would like to see them win championships because they were bought or because we caused our opponents to go bankrupt or loaded the dice in our favour. Sadly, I think supporters like you and I while in the majority are also the quiet ones who get ignored. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antaeus7 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 (edited) You guys know what happen to Juventus when they we're caught in the p o u s t i a, Olympiakos need a lesson from that one in Italy. Edited February 28, 2018 by Molon Lave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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