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1 minute ago, J1078 said:

I think if we kept it at 3-1 then maybe we could pull it off with some luck but to ask Greece to go out and get 3 goals in 90mn against Croatia is a pipe dream... If we get a 2-0 lead before half time then we can talk but for now its OVER. The only team we scored more then 2 goals against was Gibraltar the entire campaign. I'm not expecting a full stadium anymore on Sunday... This is going to be so depressing when the fifa draw for the world cup groups and even worse when the world cup starts this summer... 

if they go out there finally with some passion they'd score 2 goals in the first half. croatian defence looked atrocious yesterday and in an arguably shitty game from us, we had quite a few chances to score at least one more goal. im sure we'll find more opportunities at home but we'll have to exploit them.

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do you actually have hope that Skibbe will field a line up and setting a formation that will allow us to even have a shot at a couple goals?? Skibbe right now is playing for his job and he will play a style not to concede and he will also be happy with a 1-0 win or a draw just to keep face...He will not risk pushing guys forward and have the results end up like last game as he doesn't want to go out like that.. This game will be a "boring defensive game" we will play the majority of our players back and again play not to concede. In Skibbes mind its over he just wants to prove his defensive style works and save face.. The style we need to play to get 3 goals Skibbe wont allow it..

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he will. what do we have to lose? move zeca on the midfield along with kourmpelis, start torosidis instead of maniatis and lazaros on the wings. we cant be worse. in fact if we score even one in the first half we have chances. 

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7 minutes ago, J1078 said:

do you actually have hope that Skibbe will field a line up and setting a formation that will allow us to even have a shot at a couple goals?? Skibbe right now is playing for his job and he will play a style not to concede and he will also be happy with a 1-0 win or a draw just to keep face...He will not risk pushing guys forward and have the results end up like last game as he doesn't want to go out like that.. This game will be a "boring defensive game" we will play the majority of our players back and again play not to concede. In Skibbes mind its over he just wants to prove his defensive style works and save face.. The style we need to play to get 3 goals Skibbe wont allow it..

Yesterday only 2 of starting 11 were natural offensive players. We really can't see a more defensive lineup on Sunday than that garbage we saw in the first leg. Things like his last minute panic switch of Maniatis replacing Retsos are reminiscent of Rehhagel's last minute Vyntra over Kyrgiakos in WC10, which led to embarassment. We will never get anywhere is this loser mindset.  

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13 hours ago, Chris Tsamados said:

As bad as we played today (we gifted Croatia most of those goals), we did create chances.

 

If we can sure up our defense on Sunday, bring Monolas in and actually play a proper RB. I think we should win the return leg.

 

As crazy as it sounds I don't think this tie is as dead as people think. Croatia's defense is garbage and we need to just actually believe in ourselves and push forward. Impossible is Nothing!

Believe that and the disqualification will come twice as harder.

I just want to watch my team take a good result against hte Croats on sunday. Is it 1-0 is it 2-1 i am gonna say our boys on full roster (assuming Toro and Manolas will be back) fought for it and managed yet another miraculous result (like our B team vs Australia's A , like vs Netherlands, like vs Belgium and sort of like not losing by Bosnia twice).

Only if we end up being up 2-0 at some point of the game am I gonna believe qualification is possible. Until that happens (or most possibly doesn't) i am good with just some points for the ranking.

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At the end of the day,  Greece is not ready for the world cup.  We took steps forward,  now I believe it's time to only play the new generation players....we have a good mixture of veterans and younger talent.   Let's not overkill this thread by super analyzing the s%$#! out of it.   There's nothing really to say more.  Team took steps forward,  not ready for the world cup....showed potential with the generation players.   THERE'S NOTHING MORE!!!

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Agree Skank.. For me its now over but if somehow we miraculously grab a 2-0 lead in the match only then will I have some hope again. 

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Even that game against Belgium, the 1-2 loss, I came out of that satisfied. Because they played their hearts out. Belgium has world class guys too

I think if Skibbe plays his cards right we can get an early lead. If we get up early, get them stressed out and frustrated, it's possible guys. We put Zeca on Modric the whole game - Kourbelis on Rakitic the whole game - put Staf & Torosidis tight on their wingers the whole game. They wont be able to put anything together except long balls forward. 

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If you call what happened yesterday steps forward your crazy! This team needs a Greek coach... I know some people dont think so but I do as there would be a different dynamic out there not like 1994 coach who was a moron but someone like donis or lemonis would fare better in my opinion. Skibbe needs a total recall lol. Lets hope we score two Sunday and after that anything will happen....

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gentlemen, its not over.......Its UNLIKELY that we go through, but its not impossible. I try to be objective. There is no reason why croats cant throw up a "stinker" game....sitting here saying " there is no way we can win 3-0 , well you are not going out on a limb with that opinion. Thats the safe, pessimistic opinion. (and again, it might be what happens)

BUT...........one thing is clear...a few guys said it ealier.....if we dont go full out and attack, then the odds of a 3-0 win are almost ZERO.

If we go full out on attack, then we have as good a chance of scoring a goal or two. There back line looked awful, even with our MORE awful offensive display. 

If betting sports was so easy we would all be millionaires. Look what happen yesterday. All the "experts" predicted a low scoring game, defensive tight struggle and look what happened. 

Dont be surprised if we go up 3-0 and then eat a stupid goal to get eliminated because we then try to protect the lead and do what we did yesterday ......

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4 minutes ago, jason said:

If you call what happened yesterday steps forward your crazy! This team needs a Greek coach... I know some people dont think so but I do as there would be a different dynamic out there not like 1994 coach who was a moron but someone like donis or lemonis would fare better in my opinion. Skibbe needs a total recall lol. Lets hope we score two Sunday and after that anything will happen....

best option is ouzounidis. 

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I find it Hard for Tziolis being 34 when the euro campaign starts still remains elidgible for the NT. 

I expect Torosidis , Tziolis to retire officialy and maybe Maniatis and Tzavellas to unoficially do as well after Sunday.

But for the sake of god you mofos. 

Maniatis and Tziolis I agree.

But blaming Karnezis and Tzavellas who we actually praised a couple of months go when they made excellent performances against Belgium. That's what a Kanape Coach looks like. That's what you look like.

We need to promote our youth wingers because this is exactly what this NT was missing to make the step forward. It wouldn't make us world beater it would make us better.

 

And yes. This whole campaign in a total is a step forward. Look at the results and tell me so far out of 11 matches, in how many did we clearly underachieve? I ll tell u. Only 2. One was vs Estonia and the 2nd was yesterday. 

2 / 11 under achieving is a lot better than underachieving in 9 games out of 10 vs Finland Northern Ireland and Faroes.

The good thing : Future seems a bit promising.

The bad thing: Sokratis is getting older year by year. Noone has realised hes 29-30 today.

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18 minutes ago, jason said:

If you call what happened yesterday steps forward your crazy! This team needs a Greek coach... I know some people dont think so but I do as there would be a different dynamic out there not like 1994 coach who was a moron but someone like donis or lemonis would fare better in my opinion. Skibbe needs a total recall lol. Lets hope we score two Sunday and after that anything will happen....

A Greek coach would be STUPID!!!  We seen what a disaster that was.   

The team did take steps forward.  From last place to a playoff spot.   How's that not taking steps forward?

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Skank losing so badly in a playoff game when everything was on the line is NOT a step forward its actually a step back... I understand the Euro campaign was horrible and this campaign was much better but I refuse to believe out team was as bad as we looked in the euro qualifiers. We lost our captain and some veterans after the world cup, we lost our coach we introduced newer players a different system and there was no leadership.. Don't kid yourself this is not a step forward as we were not as bad as we seemed just to many changes in such a short time.. Before it was all said and done we have gone through 4 coaches in less then two years.... As long as our mid consists of Samaris who just doesn't it cut it for me  we will struggle.. as long as we don't use our younger faster winger we will struggle. lets see what happens Sunday and then we will see what decisions are made for the next campaign who ever our coach is. I will tell you even though I want skibbe gone if we do get a new coach it may be very difficult to even qualify for the euros as there will be another transition period of trying things out and a new system which may cost us some games to some weaker teams..

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2 minutes ago, J1078 said:

Skank losing so badly in a playoff game when everything was on the line is NOT a step forward its actually a step back... I understand the Euro campaign was horrible and this campaign was much better but I refuse to believe out team was as bad as we looked in the euro qualifiers. We lost our captain and some veterans after the world cup, we lost our coach we introduced newer players a different system and there was no leadership.. Don't kid yourself this is not a step forward as we were not as bad as we seemed just to many changes in such a short time.. Before it was all said and done we have gone through 4 coaches in less then two years.... As long as our mid consists of Samaris who just doesn't it cut it for me  we will struggle.. as long as we don't use our younger faster winger we will struggle. lets see what happens Sunday and then we will see what decisions are made for the next campaign who ever our coach is. I will tell you even though I want skibbe gone if we do get a new coach it may be very difficult to even qualify for the euros as there will be another transition period of trying things out and a new system which may cost us some games to some weaker teams..

You're 100 percent wrong.  Team took steps forward....we had key players out yesterday,  and the goalkeeper had a rare bad game.   You guys keep blaming the coaching every year,  even a SANTOS hater.   THE TEAM OVERACHIED THIS CAMPAIGN.

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1 minute ago, jvc said:

You're 100 percent wrong.  Team took steps forward....we had key players out yesterday,  and the goalkeeper had a rare bad game.   You guys keep blaming the coaching every year,  even a SANTOS hater.   THE TEAM OVERACHIED THIS CAMPAIGN.

Even a Santos hater??? are serious or are you just speaking out of your ass bro?? I loved santos and was so pissed that he left so don't shoot your mouth off if you don't know what the f... you're talking about..

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regarding coaches - the brilliance of otto was he 100% maxed out the "talent" we had by employing a system that put the players in the best position to succeed based on their strengths. STEP 2: HIS evaluation of the talent was accurate and his evlauation of what players would execute his vision was accurate.  STEP 3: the players all bought in to his approach. STEP 4: He made the necessary adjustments as needed, rather than wholesale changes.

Santos to a lesser degree, but he coached in Greece for a lon gtime so his assessment included up close knowledge of the greek game and gree mentality....

skibbe to me, although he give a good interview, seems far removed from both of these elements.

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28 minutes ago, J1078 said:

Even a Santos hater??? are serious or are you just speaking out of your ass bro?? I loved santos and was so pissed that he left so don't shoot your mouth off if you don't know what the f... you're talking about..

Probably mistaken you for someone else in here....lots of Santos haters.

Let's all chill out.  It's not over yet.  If we get eliminated,  let's focus on the positives for once.   

 

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2 minutes ago, jvc said:

Probably mistaken you for someone else in here....lots of Santos haters.

Let's all chill out.  It's not over yet.  If we get eliminated,  let's focus on the positives for once.   

 

fair enough... A lot of anger and disappointment from yesterday results... Lets get a positive result on Sunday and then go from there...

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Well i was worried about this one getting out of hand and it did.

Didnt watch the game but was able to watch Sunday and now theres no point.

Karnezis being a back up at Watford this year showed , what a tragic mistake to start the thrashing.    It appears Maniatis was useless in that position and was

exploited regularly.

Would be interesting to see Karnezis PK stats it gotta be 0 for 11 in his career.

There seems to be some optimistic guys here thinking its possible on Sunday lol

 

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1 hour ago, Rockafeller Skank said:

 

The bad thing: Sokratis is getting older year by year. Noone has realised hes 29-30 today.

Exactly this. He is the best player Greece has ever produce and, after failing to qualify to WC18, realistically has one potential tournament left in him, as he will be turning 32 on June 9 around the time Euro 2020 begins. 

At Euro 2020 this will be the age of our current core (note I have omitted certain players that should not be on the team for the qualifying campaign):

Karnezis (34), Kapino (26)

Sokratis (32), Manolas (29), K Papadopoulos (28), Torosidis (35), Retsos (21), Stafylidis (25)

Zeca (31), Samaris (31), tachtsidis (29)

Donis (23), Mitroglou (32)

 

 

 

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Skibbe is incompetent and worse than that inflexible (or possibly lazy).

Tziolis in the middle of the park ?  Are you serious ?!?!  Against a Croatia who you know will force you to run all day.  Tziolis who can't run or tackle is meant to do what exactly ?

And we have Basaketas, who is the rotation/backup for Lazaros at AEK, but here at the Ethniki it's the other way around ?!?!  Has Skibbe even watched any AEK games this year ?

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I'd take Ouzounidis as NT coach a MILLION times over Skibbe.  At least he can set up a team on the pitch.

Ouzounidis should be our next NT coach.  Time to start a petition.

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