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11 hours ago, aek66 said:

new york times exit poll states that 'The Most Important Issue' where trump hammered hillary was over immigration. the disparity between trump voters to hillary voters was 64% x 32%. obviously, this was the most important factor and defining social issue between the two candidates. trump won and hillary lost, clearly this was/is a vital issue to those who voted for trump.

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http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11/08/us/politics/election-exit-polls.html?_r=1

I don't think you're reading this exit poll correctly.

Only for those who thought imm was the most important issue, Trump won big, but only among those people... Further down, you see that

What should happen to most illegal immigrants working in the U.S.? 60% said :Offer chance to become legal

So, isn't that contradictory to your conclusion, that this issue was the most important social issue?
Trump won on the promise to bring back jobs to the rust belt and because of he (and the right wing media) whipped the conservative base with anti-Hillary prop. This is also shown by the exit poll you cite.
 
 

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21 hours ago, aek66 said:

i disagree. as if hillary proposed cutting jobs and deconstructing america?

i believe the former democratic voters (2008 & 2012) for obama, delivered the presidency to trump and voted for trump due to illegals and other social issues.

new york times exit poll states that 'The Most Important Issue' where trump hammered hillary was over immigration. the disparity between trump voters to hillary voters was 64% x 32%. obviously, this was the most important factor and defining social issue between the two candidates. trump won and hillary lost, clearly this was/is a vital issue to those who voted for trump.

as far as 'Direction of the Country', trumps voters rang in at 69% as 'seriously off track'.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11/08/us/politics/election-exit-polls.html?_r=1

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/11/09/fox-news-general-election-exit-poll-summary.html

 

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For more than half of voters (52 percent), the economy is the most important issue facing the country. Far fewer cite terrorism (18 percent), foreign policy (13 percent) and immigration (13 percent).

Like I said, immigration and social issues are loser issues unless you're KKK, an anti-abortion kook, or just a plain gun nut, most people want to have money and be able to get ahead in life.  Deporting Jose and his family won't help me one bit.  

Trump characterized Hillary as establishment and pro Nafta where Trump came into the midwest and started to talk about the empty factories and all the jobs lost and how China and Mexico are laughing at us and taking our jobs away.  There is not an immigration issue in the midwest unless you wear a white hood.  The people were told we would get jobs back and he needs to deliver or they won't come out in 2020 for him.  We better start "winning" in the next 4 years.

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@aek66 "i live in the midwest and i didn't know that the kkk was such a huge force in these parts in these times. this is what the white lesbian married to her black wife in nyc says to deflect any critical thinking/review of why her beloved candidate lost. "

Seriously, dude?...:confused:

Most people who supported HRC didn't think or say the Trump voters were racists. But, they correctly identified this: the Trump's coalition included racists/white supremacists. .... if someone's a racist, Trump was their candidate. Right?   You have to deal with this kinda company.

But those east coast libruls were guessing that their "beloved candidate" wouldn't lose to a demagogue who couldn't help those blue collar workers.  The midwest lost jobs aren't lost to immigrants. The factories that moved is the result of capitalism and free trade, a cornerstone of Repub politics. Coal jobs are being replaced by other forms of energy, like natural gas. Trump can't bring those jobs back.  [He's already back pedaling from his con game]

For one thing, these two NYC lesbians don't have to worry about associating with a party or candidate that wants to take the country back to the dark ages. [when was America great? when women and blacks knew their place?]

But, do these lesbians have a reason to worry about their right to marry a person of their choice? Or, to pursue their own happiness without the fear of being sent to "conversion therapy"? Or, to adopt a child? Or, any other woman to worry about reproductive choices?.....  These are not illusions ala "make America great again" but real life concerns!

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10 hours ago, aek66 said:

of course the economy is the most important issue, election after election. illegal immigration wasn't a huge issue in 1932 or 1956 or 1976. i never said immigration and social issues are the main issues, i said those are the issues that the democrats are holding the wrong end of the stick of and propelled trump into office. one can also tie illegal immigration to the economy/wages.

i live in the midwest and i didn't know that the kkk was such a huge force in these parts in these times. this is what the white lesbian married to her black wife in nyc says to deflect any critical thinking/review of why her beloved candidate lost.

people in the midwest don't wear white hoods.

in wisconsin - a traditional liberal, early on a very progressive state...only 54% of hillary voters said illegals should become citizens, while 78% of trump voters said illegals should be deported to the country they came from. 

so everyone in wisconsin wears a white hood and is a card carrying member of the kkk?

 

10 hours ago, aek66 said:

the biggest disparity (those who voted for trump over hillary) was the immigration issue.

 

On 11/26/2016 at 11:32 AM, aek66 said:

i believe the former democratic voters (2008 & 2012) for obama, delivered the presidency to trump and voted for trump due to illegals and other social issues.

Only 13% of all the voters said immigration was an issue and I bet those were either KKK members or people who live on the southern border.  You can read statistics until your face turns blue but if Trump doesn't follow up with his jobs plan, he will be chased out in 4 years.  The two biggest things were Jobs and Health Care.  That's it.  Not going to argue anymore with your obsession over immigration and Mexicans.

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Return to a gold standard is crazy talk.  Yep, right.

As for banks being free to do what they want, I'm cool with that so long as they get zero government assistance and zero government guarantees if they get into trouble.  Something tells me the banks would stick with the current system as whatever it costs them to comply with Dodd-Frank would be less than the cost of paying the returns required to get people to risk putting their money in the bank.

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Allison's comments quoted above are hilarious. It's very easy to advocate an earth shattering change to the economic system of a country, especially when you know it'll never happen. Big changes require lots of forethought.

As for the anti-regulation bent...listen, I get the argument that regulations stifle innovation and can be excessively onerous. It should also not be ignored, however, that a lack of regulation has led to crisis after crisis after crisis - including what's happening to Greece right now.

I see regulations all the time in the Real World, and what makes them a pain in the ass isn't necessarily that they exist - it's the hamfisted way in which governments (AND companies) enact them. Banks are absolutely not blameless here either - their complete refusal to change in any way, shape, or form never ceases to astound me.

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11 hours ago, ELLAS75 said:

Trump and Pence saving jobs from leaving the USA, he still has not even taken office yet and has done so much. The Libies on CNN are left speechless as they know Obama did nothing for the middle class in his 8 years as president, and they know Hillary would have been even worse....

I'm very happy he tried, and it's a great publicity move. let's see what can of worms he just opened

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apparently carrier got 7 MEELION ... not 5

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3 hours ago, pash said:

Allison's comments quoted above are hilarious. It's very easy to advocate an earth shattering change to the economic system of a country, especially when you know it'll never happen. Big changes require lots of forethought.

As for the anti-regulation bent...listen, I get the argument that regulations stifle innovation and can be excessively onerous. It should also not be ignored, however, that a lack of regulation has led to crisis after crisis after crisis - including what's happening to Greece right now.

I see regulations all the time in the Real World, and what makes them a pain in the ass isn't necessarily that they exist - it's the hamfisted way in which governments (AND companies) enact them. Banks are absolutely not blameless here either - their complete refusal to change in any way, shape, or form never ceases to astound me.

+!

the finance industry has the highest ROIC by industry of them all. you want to de-regulate it? what exactly will you benefit?

feed the greed

people forget so easily how things were just a few years ago.

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18 hours ago, ELLAS75 said:

Trump and Pence saving jobs from leaving the USA, he still has not even taken office yet and has done so much. The Libies on CNN are left speechless as they know Obama did nothing for the middle class in his 8 years as president, and they know Hillary would have been even worse....

Yeah? Nothing? http://money.cnn.com/2016/10/07/news/economy/obama-15-million-jobs/

 

Pence, btw, is the guy who refused to help Carrier in 2014. Let's keep in mind that Carrier is staying - for now - because of government incentives, not out of the goodness of their hearts. Once the free money dries up, they'll be in Mexico so fast your poncho will spin. This story is especially ironic in several ways:

  • Pence's earlier refusal to help was actually the right choice, although it was likely driven by the fact that any of his vetoes could be overridden by the state legislature
  • Trump and the Republicans want to stop handouts, yet Carrier has historically gotten lots of federal money while at the same time continuing to ship jobs overseas
    • Where did the punishments for leaving the country go? If my punishments at work would involve my being bribed with bigger bonuses, I would also be doing a shitty job.
  • Carrier is still going to ship a net of 1300 jobs out of the state, presumably because Trump's kowtowing wasn't sufficient

This single factory is just a symbol, and a poor one at that. One thousand jobs in a state whose workforce numbers over 6.5 million is not going to help anyone (and, again, is going to cost taxpayers across the country).

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19 minutes ago, aek66 said:

 

the significance of trump/carrier is that the federal govt., at the highest level, got directly involved. prior to this, companies such as carrier, would successfully extort state governments for lower taxes and less regulations - and many times, would still ship jobs out of the country or out of state. 

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This single factory is just a symbol, and a poor one at that. One thousand jobs in a state whose workforce numbers over 6.5 million is not going to help anyone (and, again, is going to cost taxpayers across the country).

 

in carrier's case, it was indiana, not illinois. illinois has seen this tragic opera plenty of times, from caterpillar (jobs to canada...now some canadian jobs stripped from canada and sent to right-to-work indiana), sears and the CME group.

united technologies is like GE, it buys many companies and carrier is an example. the right way is to hint at scaling back numerous govt. contracts with united technologies, not incentivizing outsourcing in hopes of even lower taxes and less regulations.

 

You are right. The proper way to do it is to scale back contracts to UTX. Does the govts procurement process allow for this? Pretty sure they have their set of lobbyists too. 

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3 hours ago, jvc said:

So Trumps way of keeping jobs from leaving is bribing companies with your tax money....800 hundred are staying but 1300 carrier jobs are leaving??????   How does this solve the problem?  Lol you voted for him.

Not I. Voting is how the government tracks your brain signals.

 

 

2 hours ago, aek66 said:

in carrier's case, it was indiana, not illinois. illinois has seen this tragic opera plenty of times, from caterpillar (jobs to canada...now some canadian jobs stripped from canada and sent to right-to-work indiana), sears and the CME group.

Wait a minute...Indiana and Illinois are different states?? Whoops!

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pash, Indiana does not exist!

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Yet another misspelling of a proud state.

 

Sarah Palin woke up today with someone else's (working) brain: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/sarah-palin-donald-trump-carrier-deal-crony-capitalism-232139

Great quote by her:

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When government steps in arbitrarily with individual subsidies, favoring one business over others, it sets inconsistent, unfair, illogical precedent."

 

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What competition? Banks regularly collude with each other.

Banks aren't "too big to fail" because of some law - it's because we've been deluded and intimidated into accepting that as a fact. Usually by the banks that needed tax dollars (sheer coincidence, I know). Thanks, Obama.

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The Carrier deal is for show. Only 800 jobs were "saved." For those workers, it's great, don't get me wrong. But every month 2 million jobs are lost and 2.x are created, so 1 thousand don't make a difference.

Capitalism has no country, so business move to wherever they can generate a greater profit. Usually it's the labor costs that's the biggest company expense, so companies calculate where they can operate to have maximum profit. Taxes, by the way, [and Indiana is paying a premium to keep Carrier in there] are not a top reason for company's calculation where to have a factory or office.

Imposing tariffs as a penalty for companies that move out of the US and then sell their products here is a non-starter for Republicans in Congress. They want to protect the American consumer, they say, who would have to pay higher prices for commodities.

More and better jobs are created when the middle class is strong, along with a skillful workforce.

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Of course, there can be tariffs. But the fact is the product becomes more expensive for the consumer. It may work if you have a choice of other domestically-made products, but this is not the case of many goods. Take Greece for example; it imports most consumer goods.

Walmart usually argues, especially this time of the year, that Americans can put lots more presents under their xmas tree because of those goodies are made outside the US. It actually estimated how much "richer" Americans are by having a higher purchasing power by buying stuff made outside the US.

 

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The comedy that will ensue for all the idiot Trump voters the next 4 years will be off the charts.  I'm loading up on Finance and Defense stocks so I can profit off the idiots who got conned into voting for him.  The labor secretary is a guy who things wages are too high, the EPA person thinks climate control is a hoax, and then you got the Goldman Sachs people who are the swamp creators.  

The idiot white voter who "Hates dem' foreigners" and "Make America Great Again".  The joke was on you by the master bullshitter himself, Donald Trump.  My favorite part is the Trump voters (Who I want to mention again are idiots) are defending Goldman Sachs now as a great American company and the people appointed from them are taking a pay cut and doing this as a patriotic way to help the country HAHAHA.  Stupid Stupid Stupid.

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The true idiots are the Trump voters who have shitty jobs and feel Trump relates to them.  Yes, I've run into idiots who make $9 hour who are Republican.  They will get even more destroyed the next 4 years.  Just imagine, $9 hour and these same dopes were getting subsidized Obama care on top of this and now they will have nothing.  These idiots were hearing "Drain the swamp" and Trump was flying back home on personal jet in Manhattan and these morons swallowed all the bullshit.

Anyone that votes for a candidate for social topics (BLM, abortion, gay rights) is a major Vlaka.  The next 4 years will be a major lesson to the white idiots.  I want Trump and the Republicans to destroy these losers.  No health care, $9 hour, but you get to keep the red hat.

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Now I just heard the CEO of Exxon is going to be the Secretary of State.  I have to hand it to the Republicans, they find the hazo Amerikani and throw social issues at them (Mexicans, illegal immigration, muslims) and hook, line, and sinker they fall for it and the elite agenda is about to take place again.  Aek66, all year you were a Trump supporter and crying about the Mexicans and you fell for it hard.  Congrats man.  When will you guys learn that its all about money.

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What happened to "lock her up"?   Maybe he'll be busy draining that cesspool he talked about...

First the Repubs will repeal Obamacare. Right? Then Trump will built the wall. Then he'll abolish the minimum wage. Then he'll do business only with the countries he personally has business in. 

I wonder who's the cuck now?

But, since many cons live in bizarro world, they won't notice. Faux News, Breitbart and general Flynn's conspiracies are too much for their feeble minds. To them, Obama is a non-American Muslim/communist who founded ISIS, and that global warming is a hoax. :1eye:

 

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^^

First, you should capitalize properly. Voting for a republican isn't the same as Republican. Likewise, I may be a democrat but not a Democrat.

As to your "ILLEGAL" scream, most Americans, by big majority, want legalization of undocumented immigrants with a path to citizenship. Perhaps, the majority of Republicans think this is a huge issue. I don't know where you get your information, but this is an issue blown out of proportion to energize people like you. The same people who are concerned more about ISIS/ISIL (and its founder, B. Housein O.) than the lack of health care.

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The best thing the President elect has ever given the world (besides in addition to the lovely Ivanka) was The Roast of Donald Trump. If anyone can find the whole show I highly suggest you see it, it is gold, and worth every minute of your time. Seth MacFarlane in this roast was by far the most hilarious roast host ever that I have seen.

 

 

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10 hours ago, Tzatziki said:

If anyone can find the whole show I highly suggest you see it, it is gold, and worth every minute of your time.

Comedy Central:
http://www.cc.com/shows/roast-of-donald-trump/video-guide

Look for Trump to claim credit on beating ISIS. Sorry, I meant Dickhead Trump...

 

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