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20 hours ago, aek66 said:

fantastic job by ICE in the usa. rounding up illegals, the majority with criminal records. just the tip of the iceberg.

the delusional people in the usa that support illegals are in for some nasty medicine. 30+ years of kissing ass, making a mockery of the law and political correctness is over. political correctness has met the corrector.

 

Asylum-seeking Syrian family crosses into Quebec from U.S. in -15C weather 

Asylum-seekers crossing through the woods to Quebec surged in recent months, Canada Border Services says

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/asylum-seeking-syrian-family-crosses-into-quebec-from-u-s-in-15c-weather-1.3978598

 

 

looks like we have more igloo seekers...... @Bananas you are not alone!

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The last defense of anyone who runs out of intelligent arguments is to claim immunity for their beliefs from criticism.

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I respect everyone's right to have and express their beliefs, but I do claim my right to ridicule beliefs.

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8 hours ago, tantra129 said:

You should have offered an alternative solution that may have pleased all parties. That's how it goes down in the igloo. What happens in the igloo stays in the igloo.  Except the smokers. OUT,

The igloo of iniquity ?  Do you have hidden cameras installed ?  Where can I put my cigarette butts ?

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3 hours ago, Bananas said:

The igloo of iniquity ?  Do you have hidden cameras installed ?  Where can I put my cigarette butts ?

Throw them into the fireplace!   (Wait.... there may be a problem with this suggestion...)

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http://www.jsonline.com/story/news/local/wisconsin/2017/02/07/trump-voters-await-economic-revival-rural-wisconsin/97585492/

This is a good article on the heartland Trump voters.  Financially struggling, can't afford health insurance, jobs all pay $12 hour etc.. This will be a tough problem to fix and I don't know how anyone can fix this.  Funny thing is that they don't care about immigration issues, they care about their pocketbook.  

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Com'on AEK66, you don't mean it only means that, right?

In the US individual choice is not about abortion only. Of course, the right to birth control, and abortion should be a woman's choice, but individual choice includes freedom of religion and from religion, pursuit of happiness (defined by the individual), freedom of expression, which includes criticism, individual choice in marrying a person of one's choice, access to information, free assembly and association, where to live, what to buy and eat, and I could go on and on.

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@athinaios speaking of code words, "states' rights" (same as "Southern strategy") and "religious freedom" (to name a couple), have been used to rouse certain groups and to describe discrimination and the limiting of choice.

Oh, what else?.... "welfare queen", "Sharia" "illegal alien", "un-American" (same as un-Australian), "moral majority" "restoring the moral fitness of America", etc.

Dog Whistle Politics by Ian Lopez explains more....

Note to mods and others: It's my religion--and you must respect that--which commands me to criticize the evil doers & promoters of ignorance, bigotry, and ..Satan, while at the same time I claim immunity from criticism for my own religious views!:military-325036:(and as an individual choice, I choose to arm myself and shoot down flying UFOs)

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I noticed Trump has changed on a couple things.  First about moving the embassy to Jerusalem and then his stance on "One China".  Complete 180.  All it has turned into is Mexicans and Muslims at this point, complete silence on repealing and replacing Obamacare.

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6 hours ago, aek66 said:

sure...but in the context of the post, it can only mean that.

if we include all else, this means we are debating from the radical liberals' side and we all acknowledge the current administration and conservatives as non-democratic, totalitarian, anti-constitutional and un-american.

as if, the current administration and conservatives are against freedom from religion, pursuit of happiness, freedom of expression, free movement, free assembly...etc...etc. we know that some posters feel this way, but i wouldn't give that argument credence by attempting to argue all their 'points'.

modern day liberals x conservatives; a freedom of choice debate has to mean abortion. those against abortion use 'right to life', those pro-abortion are 'pro-choice'. right to choose.

Why is there doubt about that? Conservatives, since the beginning of the US, have practiced anti-democratic policies, from slavery, to segregation, to preventing people to vote. Many, the religious nuts, would love a theocracy. The same people who bitch about the "war on xmas" and the poor Xtians, and want to impose their stone-age morality on the rest of us. Unconstitutional? Hell, yeah. Cons never liked the separation of church-state, they keep telling us that it's un-American not to be Xtian (do you really want quotes on this???) and follow the Judeo-xtian ethics (some  posters here have been saying this). And, they tell us this is a xtian nation. Bollocks! Have you read the US constitution? Or, the writings of the Founders?  In that sense, it is un-American to make such claims.

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4 hours ago, Amorgos said:

Perfect

 

4 hours ago, aek66 said:

modern day liberals x conservatives; a freedom of choice debate has to mean abortion. those against abortion use 'right to life', those pro-abortion are 'pro-choice'. right to choose.

And, conservatives have been trying for ever to take away a woman's right to choose. Who's anti-choice?

But, this is not new. Backward views they try to masquerade as reasonable views, while they don't like anyone having choice that does not conform to their stone-age views. Pfff..

 

To the mods: You are all nice fellas and I understand you try to keep the peace here, and I totally understand you're in a bind, but at the same time, I have to ask you, are you some liberal pushovers who allow the whiners to have their way undisturbed so you appear impartial? Same posters keep spewing their garbage and I (and a couple others) call it, they whine that their views must be respected. Well, I demand you respect my views too. Views that I now claim to be my religion.

YOu have to decide: is it a personal attack to reply to ... Hitler (I'm exaggerating to make a point), who has been haranguing us about black crime, the lieberals, alternative facts/reality, and other bullshit claims, and we can't say anything because Mr. Hitler gets upset?  Should I preface my response to him by "Mr."? or, "your honor"?...  {cause I know we can't call him for what he is... that would impolite}

kkk-baby.jpg soooo cute! :cycling-617699:

 

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10 minutes ago, Hudson said:

Many, the religious nuts, would love a theocracy.

A theocracy would be splendid, as long as I was the head of it.  Church of Bananasology.

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32 minutes ago, Bananas said:

Trump wants to fix infrastructure and create jobs.  Here's a "shovel ready" project for Trump.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/feb/12/oroville-dam-spillway-fail-evacuation-orders-issue/

Friend, the WT is not a reputable publication. It's a conservative rag, owned by the ..Moonies (Unification Church), but it gives lots of favorable coverage to conservative pols.

Have 18 min. to spare and get a laugh? Watch this video (Rev. Moon--King of America)

:laugh:

@Bananas A theocracy would be splendid, as long as I was the head of it.  Church of Bananasology. <<<

>>>that's a church I'd consider joining!

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2 minutes ago, Amorgos said:

How so Hudson? IMO abortion should be optional to the very person effected, not one should be asking for the choice to be removed 

"Should" is the operative word here. The conservatives have been trying to take away this choice since the US Supreme Court decided Roe v. Wade in 1973. Several conservative states have made it impossible for women to have abortion. Of course this affects those who can least afford it.

Choice?....  Please ask the conservatives if they think a woman should have a choice!

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2 minutes ago, aek66 said:

really? and some say that the unborn also have a right to live, or no? is there a 2nd side to this or does hudson say that since hillary is pro-choice, Christ himself, would be pro-choice?

Oh, the same unscientific verbiage...  The "unborn" ? OK. What does this mean?  Sperm and egg are "unborn" Women have spontaneous "abortions" (fertilized eggs) and don't even know about it. It's part of nature, which I suppose Christ had a part designing it?

If you think you make your argument more valid by invoking Hillary C., or somehow I speak for her, you're off the mark. But, that's how you roll... I don't expect much anyways.

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32 minutes ago, aek66 said:

exactly, you say, "why is there any doubt about that?", just because you say it's so, there shouldn't be any doubt.

you are trying to draw a timeline and connect the dots between today's republican party and all the perceived evil in the usa from day 1 of the republic. not sure how you skipped over the dixiecrats and what they represented.

by the way; did you post in here when obama temporarily banned iraqis from the usa?

You need more schooling? (I doubt you'll learn, but let me give it another try)...

1. not all opinions are of equal value; some rely on facts, on science, and the art of reasoning. I don't think you possess such qualities judging from your posts. What did I say that is not factual? You saying I'm wrong doesn't it make it so. You sound like Trump: what he doesn't like, it's fake! :1eye: sure, whatever...

2. apparently not only you don't pay attention but you don't know history.  I keep saying "conservatives".... I explained (to you, if I remember correctly) in the past that the two major US pol. parties exchanged positions. The Repub. party of Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt was the progressive party, while the Dems were the conservatives.  The "Dixiecrats" were Dems who.... (ready for this?) were too conservative to accept dissegration, equal rights, women's lib, social safety net, etc, and left the Dem.party to join the Repub. party which was already the conservative American party!

3. whatever, again... Here's the story from the Washington Post about those Iraqis. Again, you distort the facts and repeat the b.s. Trumps puts out for you.

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2 minutes ago, ThrylosG7 said:

Free abortions is a kneejerk reaction to the decline of the family unit. Its another debate whether this is a good thing or not and has given people a get out jail free card for making bad choices...

Abortions are not responsible for the decline of the family unit. It's the other way around. (and it matters). Abortions are the lowest ever in the US. Why? Because of education, health care, and access to birth control. Guess who's against these policies that work to limit abortions.

Yes, people make bad choices. An unwanted pregnancy is not good for anyone--mother, child, society; same for abortions.

Interesting you use the analogy: jail and pregnancy.

 

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Listen up, those of you who, I'm guessing, use your religion as a guide, let me put it to you in a different way:

  • God aborts 60%. Who are you to judge the Almighty?  I checked: The Lord says he’s ok with it
  • God prescribes abortion potion —Numbers 5:22-27   Again, who the hell are you to have a different view?
  • Kill fetus, get fined, kill woman, get death —Exodus 21:22-23    It's about the sanctity of life? the  "unborn"?
  • Infant becomes person after birth —Leviticus 27:6  LISTEN!!!!
  • Fetus fetish is idolatry.. LISTEN, again
  • Don’t say you follow Jesus if stopping abortion trumps love, truth, peacemaking, compassion, feeding the hungry, caring for the poor ...
  • Life begins at ejaculation – Ask Onan.  OK, this is contradictory, but the Bible is full of contradictions; either God couldn't make up his mind or men, like you, wrote the stuff
  • If the baby goes to heaven / And the doctor goes to hell/ If the woman gets forgiveness / What’s the problem!?
  • The Bible doesn’t define when life becomes “a living soul.” Don’t put your words in God’s mouth
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1 hour ago, aek66 said:

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This is getting out of control

I'm going to edit/delete posts and ask everyone to cool it and take a breather...

@aek66 don't repeat: "you are the rag and the liberal mouthpiece."

@ jimAdam cool it

@Hudson Don't challenge the mods like that. To the mods: ........Same posters keep spewing their garbage and I (and a couple others) call it, they whine that their views must be respected. Well, I demand you respect my views too..<<< NOT APPROPRIATE

@thrylos don't escalate

@olympic Hellas don't escalate

It's late, but I'll be editing posts here and around the Let's Talk About it, because we're not having a discussion anymore. I tried to reply to several of you, or via PM, but I realized it's not working and I don't want to go around in circles.

I'll also be deleting and hiding some posts until we figure out how to proceed here.

As the mods have said, we don't see everything, and the warnings may be uneven but we have to keep in mind this is not an arena to exercise hooliganism.

 

As a footnote, I'm following the discussion in the GreekSoccer thread and it's interesting to see what happened over there. We can't allow the same thing to happen here.

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Stay on topic

 

-Tzatziki

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41 minutes ago, Hudson said:

hope everyone got warnings, not only me....

where are some of my posts? I don't feel like rewriting them....

Everyone was also going to get ice-cream but you all blew it.

But seriously, you guys have been getting out of line for a while now.  Not every post but often enough.

Picture the "discussion" you're having in.  Would you guys speak to each like that in person ?  If yes, then I'm guessing it would come to blows in short order.  To me it just looks like you're all yelling at each other.

Oh well, more ice-cream for me.

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2 hours ago, ThrylosG7 said:

The only difference between Trump and the Clintons is they use softer words...barrier instead of wall for example..mention the word wall they y have images of Soviet Era gulags in their heads or something like that 

Also another difference is that the Clintons are qualified for the position, Trump has zero experience. In reality the differences are endless.

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Worth the 7 minutes to see this, Trump is dangerous...

 

 

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