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Estonia vs. Greece (10 October 2016, A Le Coq Arena, Tallinn)

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mitroglou was decent. he helped cancel out their best defender which let our other players to come forward. without mitro, we might've not scored the other goals. he had a nice deak attempt that if a few inches went his way would've been a goal. also he was a key part of staf's goal. with the wall, confusing estonia because they thought he was gunna take the shot as well, and i think he helped draw the foul too. he played with a lot of passion too.

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First off I don't blame Holebas at all, why should he continue with this NT when he is a world class player and Skibbe chooses to play hacks in his positions instead. He's given Holebas like 15 Minutes in the last 3 or 4 matches. I have no respect for this coach at all. This will bite us in the ass wait and see. A line up that includes Holebas is so much more dangerous for us especially on the counter. The 9 points is great, but let's be real Bosnia and Belgium will get 9 points against those 3 teams as well. I just heard the Skibbes press conference I truly can't stand the guy.

 

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27 minutes ago, Pana97 said:

Skill wise he is a good option, but the guy has an attitude problem. Better for us that he left. Now we can have Tzavs play Leftback I feel secure with him there. 

He likely has an attitude, but he also derseves some respect. He is been a key member of the NT for many years through good and bad, and at 32 is finally getting his due as a Premier League starter. I don't blame him for retiring from the NT, I don't think that loyalty is an issue - he has put in his time and then some. 

I do blame Skibbe and the EPO. You don't jerk around your stars in favour of the old boys who have no reasonable reason to get a start or a cap and yet still do.

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Gre365.com has Cholevas as quitting the team.

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29 minutes ago, J1078 said:

First off I don't blame Holebas at all, why should he continue with this NT when he is a world class player and Skibbe chooses to play hacks in his positions instead.

Hahahaha! This place is the best

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This is sad news 

 

Τέλος από την Εθνική ο Χολέμπας!

"Βόμβα" στα αποδυτήρια της Εθνικής από τον αμυντικό της Γουότφορντ, ο οποίος με το τέλος της αναμέτρησης κόντρα στην Εσθονία, ανακοίνωσε πως βάζει τέλος στην καριέρα του με τα γαλανόλευκα. Προσπάθεια να μεταπεισθεί.

Η αλήθεια είναι πως στα τελευταία παιχνίδια της Ελλάδας ο Μίκαελ Σκίμπε δεν υπολόγιζε στα βασικά του πλάνα τον 32άχρονο άσο. Τώρα αν αυτό έπαιξε ρόλο στην απόφαση του θα ξεκαθαρίσει τις επόμενες ώρες. Το γεγονός είναι πως ο Χολέμπας πιστεύει πως έκλεισε ο κύκλος του στην Εθνική Ελλάδας και το ανακοίνωσε στα αποδυτήρια, μετά τη νίκη με 2-0 επί της Εσθονίας.

Οι συμπαίκτες του προσπάθησαν να τον μεταπείσουν χωρίς αποτέλεσμα, ενώ μένει να δούμε ποια θα είναι η στάση και του Γερμανού τεχνικού στο θέμα που προέκυψε.

 
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I was wrong. He can play EIGHT positions.

 

Anyway, Skibbe should be worrying more about his RB selections. Torosidis can be hot or cold, and Sokratis is not good cover there. And yet, we bring 3 LBs into each game. A shame.

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I'm just not ready to jump all over the coach just yet.  We don't know what really happened or why he hasn't played much.  

It could very well be that Skibbe doesn't prefer him as he is still suspect at the back.  He was tried at left mid I believe so he could very well not rate him as a defensive player.    

This could also be a bit of a emotional decision like how Messi quit, but by the time November rolls around could be fine we'll see.  Sitting is not fun and you get pissed anyone that has played at a decent enough level knows. 

 

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He is a solid EPL player that has a place on this team. I would play him as a left mid/winger where the risk he poses as a defender is mitigated. He is actually one of the most effective attacking players we have and the NT has lost an important player if he stands by his word.

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1. Karnezis - 7 - He faced some real shots this time and was commendable.  Everything was stoppable and he did his job for the team.  Nothing too extraordinary though.

2. Oikonomou - 5 - I mean, decent enough.  

3. Manolas - 8 - I thought he was excellent back there, and really held it all together in nervous moment with Sokratis gone.   

4. Stafylidis - 6 -  I think the goal is clouding things a bit.  I liked the skill on the goal, and he was good enough as a lot was asked of him, but there were still careless passes out there and isn't all that imposing defensively.

5. Tachtidis - 5.5 - I'm just not seeing enough consistent performances out of this player yet.  He's too carless with the ball and doesn't inspire confidence.  I do hope I'm wrong about him as there are glimpses but he needs to refine his game.

6. Maniatis - 0 - I can't stand careless players that give away fouls like Maniatis.  I think he's lost a step and creates nothing going forward.  Even I can stroke a ball up to an open winger.  Get rid of him now Skibbe before it's too late. 

7. K. Paps - 7.5 - I am surprised at the ratings on him I thought he was a big presence in the air and solid on the ground.  He got better as the match went along.  It was a performance that reminds you how high we were on him before injuries.  Was not fazed by change of position either, he and Manolas far and away our best players.

8. Bakasetas - 3 - I'm just not seeing it with this player.  I mean, I am surprised that Skibbe starts him and thinks this much of him.  I can think of at least 5 or 6 players I would rather have in his spot right now.  We'll see.  

9. Mantalos - 6 - It was not one of his better games, despite some nice play in the match. 

10. Karelis - 4.5 - Maybe as a striker.  Decent player.  Not a starter for me.

11. Mitroglou - N/A - Honestly he had absolutely no service today.  None.  It's hard for me to even give him a rating.  It was not his best day as a target man though that goes without saying.  Maybe a 5 because he has been solid for the team since the beginning. 

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If it's true and Holebas quit then F*** him sorry to say, no one is bigger than the team, that's just being a sook. Stay and fight for your place and be a man about it. This is why our NT won't have the success of the past 2004 team, those guys bonded and worked together and fought for their starting spot.  Wasn't too long ago there was a report saying he threw the Greek jersey on the ground from frustration, now whether that was also true just adds to the fact that he had a bad attitude.

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24 minutes ago, Pana97 said:

If Jose Mourinho were coach we would still be playing mediocre balla. In time we may see a change, but this current crop of players don't have a leader and they only want to bleed for themselves that is the real issue. 

 

If Mourinho was coach we would definitely be playing some dire stuff. Mourinho though successful has never had his teams play attractive. Anyway that's a side issue. 

Santos was regressing by the end of his first year in charge but he did have a better collection of players than Otto did overall and it wasn't as sub-standard as Otto's last 6 years.

Skibbe has no excuse in my opinion. He plays players without club form and those he does play usually are in their unpreferred position (Stafylidis, Karelis, Papadopoulos, Bakasetas, Diamantakos for example.)

I'm 30 minutes in to the replay and yes there have been way to many cheap errors and giveaways but it's not like the Estonians have been dominating. 

The early goal allowed the Ethniki to cruise for right and wrong reasons. I'm not pleased that we would give up so much possession though.

Tachtsidis has been a standout from what I've seen. Excellent football brain.

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Well Akriti, that tells me that Taxi is our CDM then. Samaris can come back as the box 2 box CM. Stafylia to LB now.

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4 hours ago, Argy said:

He is a solid EPL player that has a place on this team. I would play him as a left mid/winger where the risk he poses as a defender is mitigated. He is actually one of the most effective attacking players we have and the NT has lost an important player if he stands by his word.

 

 

Yeah I've been saying this for a while. I've noticed Watford have recently used him as a LM too.

 

For the Estonia game we should have played Stafylidis as LB and Holebas as LM. Seems a no brainer to me!

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6 hours ago, 1789 said:

Is one GK? I think he did play in net once for PAOK. Am I mistaken?

I think that might have been the almighty Tziolis, another player who would have raised this team's level vs Estonia (and who can play FOUR positions to perfection on his own).

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I hope this recent retirement by Holebas might inspire one Tziolis to follow in his footsteps......

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11 hours ago, pash said:

Hahahaha! This place is the best

I almost choked on my cereal! Lol

lets get one thing clear: Greece has no world class players. The team's strength is its collective (as in greater than the sum of its parts).

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Now would I rather have Holebas in the lineup? Without a doubt!

but who knows? Maybe he was a bad apple in the locker room? Didn't he recently throw his NT jersey in a fit of rage following a loss? Maybe it didn't sit well with the morons at EPO and or his teammates...

perhaps Skibbe marginalized him to force him out... who knows.. after all, Remember when Otto got rid of Zikos and Georgatos (by far superior talent) for the sake of team harmony? As we all know, that worked wonders..

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It was a really tough game to watch. Our best players were Karnezis & Manolas. Holebas is one of our most talented players offensively, he will be missed and it's such a shame. I do think going forward, we have what it takes to beat Bosnia at home.

We're 3-0 and a win next month will be huge for this team so lets try to be a little positive.

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I'm pretty sure that if Skibbe didn't like Holebas at all, he wouldn't be picked at all.  But again I'm assuming that sponsors, agents, EPO don't influence decisions made by Skibbe.

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