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Remember the old saying in qualifying for major tournaments you have to win your home games, failing to beat Estonia at home may cost the team a chance at qualifying for the world cup. Tziolis ruined so many offensive attacks in both games by not playing the right ball or giving away possession. Almost everyone here and in the Greek media who follow this team agree that he should not be selected let alone be in the starting 11 plain and simple! 

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out = maniatis, tziolis, diamantakos, velios

in = fetfa, pelkas, holebas, bouchalakis

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Tziolis,Vellios, and Diamantakos can't cut it. Maniatis ran hard last game and admire his efforts, he just doesn't have the ability to cross the ball. 

Like your in list, it would be great to have Holebas and Skibbe sit down and try to come to some understanding to bring him back in the fold. Feta and Holebas in the lineup vastly upgrades the NT.

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Maniatis can provide something from the bench. Tziolis, Diamantakos and Vellios don't need to be there.

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13 hours ago, Ellada2004 said:

Tziolis,Vellios, and Diamantakos can't cut it. Maniatis ran hard last game and admire his efforts, he just doesn't have the ability to cross the ball. 

Like your in list, it would be great to have Holebas and Skibbe sit down and try to come to some understanding to bring him back in the fold. Feta and Holebas in the lineup vastly upgrades the NT.

No manager will go beg a player to come back after they unceremoniously quit the team. Holebas is already 33 years old, although it would have been nice to have him for this campaign, it's too late to initiate any sort of contact now. He played in his tournaments, got exposure that certainly helped him sign for bigger clubs and make more money, and then with the first bump in the road, he said farewell. I think he relieved without his NT duties; not to say he didn't care, but I don't believe he felt as tied to the crest and to his teammates either. 

 

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It's a shame we definitely could  have used Holebas in this campaign. 

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in other news the draw for the euro 2020 qualification campaign will be made in december 2nd, in dublin. let's hope we'll take part in one more draw in that time ..:)

 

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Below is Greece’s full roster for the qualifiers against Cyprus and Gibraltar

Goalkeepers: Giannis Anestis (AEK), Stefanos Kapino (Olympiacos), Orestis Karnezis (Watford)

Defenders: Vassilis Torosidis (Bologna), Sokratis Papastathopoulos (B. Dortmund), Kostas Manolas (Roma), Panagiotis Retsos (Bayer Leverkusen), Kyriakos Papadopoulos (Hamburg), Kostas Stafylidis (Augsburg), Giorgos Tzavellas (Alanyaspor)

Midfielders: Panagiotis Tachtsidis (Olympiacos), Andreas Samaris (Benfica), Giannis Maniatis (Alyanspor), Alexandros Tziolis (Al-Fayha), Carlos Zeca (FC Kobehavn), Dimitris Kourbelis (Panathinaikos), Kostas Fortounis (Olympiacos), Petros Mantalos (AEK), Giannis Gianniotas (Real Valladolid), Lazaros Christodoulopoulos (AEK)

Forwards: Dimitris Diamantakos (Karlsruhe), Kostas Mitroglou (Marseille), Tasos Bakasetas (AEK), Tasos Donis (VfB Stuttgart)

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Greece has 10 pts and goal difference +3, after discarding the result with Gibraltar (6th placed team in Group H). Aside from relying on Belgium drawing or beating Bosnia, then

If Greece can beat Cyprus and Gibraltar in last 2 matches, Greece standing with respect to 2nd spot will be 13 pts and goal difference +4 or better.

Will this be good enough?

Group D:

Serbia 18

Wales 14

Ireland 13

Worst scenario: Wales finish on 20 pts with wins away to Georgia (6/10) and at home to Ireland (9/10). This would make it mathematically impossible for Greece to better them as a 2nd placed qualifier.

2nd scenario: Ireland finish on 19 pts with wins at home to Moldova (6/10) and away to Wales (9/10). In this scenario, if Greece wins both its final 2 matches, we would be equal points with Ireland. Greece's goal difference is +3 (7) and Ireland 0 (7). Ireland would have to better Greece's result by 3 or more goals. Unlikely. 

Best scenario for Greece: Georgia draw with Wales (6/10) / Ireland draw or defeat Wales (9/10).

Group A:

France 17

Sweden 16

Netherlands 13

Bulgaria 12

France play Bulgaria away. Bulgaria have won all 4 home qualifiers, but lost 4-1 to France in France.

Sweden at home to Luxembourg (7/10) and Netherlands away to Belarus (7/10) should be easy wins for them.

Netherlands play at home to Sweden (10/10)

Worst scenario: France and Sweden finish on 20 or more points.

Best scenario for Greece: Netherlands beat Sweden at home (10/10). In this scenario, assuming Sweden and Netherlands win easy matches on 7/10, then both finish on 19pts if Netherlands can beat Sweden. Sweden's goal difference +3 (6) and Netherlands +2 (7) if Belarus is 6th placed in Group A.

Group E: 

Poland 19

Montenegro 16

Denmark 16

Key matches: Montenegro at home with Denmark (5/10) and away to Poland (8/10), Denmark at home with Romania (8/10).

Poland play Armenia at home (5/10) and I expect them to win.

Best scenario: Montenegro draws Denmark / draws or loses Poland / Denmark draws or loses to Romania OR Montenegro beats Denmark / loses to Poland. Montenegro goal difference +3 (6) and Denmark goal difference +4 (6). 

Prediction: Too many results need to go our way for this Group and I can't see anything but a Denmark win vs Romania. 

Group F: 

England 20

Slovakia 15

Slovenia 14

Scotland 14

Key matches: Slovakia away to Scotland (5/10) and Slovenia at England (5/10).

If Slovakia beat Scotland away would mean they are virtually guaranteed top 2 finish as their last match is at home with Malta (8/10). Assuming Slovakia draw with Scotland (5/10) then beat Malta, then they finish with 19pts +6 goal difference. Greece would need to beat Cyprus by more than 3 goals to better Slovakia.

Best scenario: Scotland beat Slovakia (5/10), England beat or draws Slovenia (5/10), Scotland draws Slovenia (8/10)

Group I:

Croatia 16

Iceland 16

Turkey 14

Ukraine 14

Ukraine plays Kosovo (6/10) and Iceland plays Kosovo (9/10) which should be easy wins.

Best scenario: Turkey beats Iceland at home (6/10) and draws Finland away (6/10), Croatia draws Finland at home (6/10), Croatia draws or beats Ukraine away (9/10)

Bottom line: If Croatia beat Finland and Turkey fails to beat Iceland then at least 2 teams will finish on 20 points <assuming Kosovo don't cause an upset>

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Ps: All of this is meaningless, if we can't beat Cyprus or Bosnia doesn't drop points with either Belgium or Estonia.

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1 hour ago, kbxk508 said:

Greece has 10 pts and goal difference +3, after discarding the result with Gibraltar (6th placed team in Group H). Aside from relying on Belgium drawing or beating Bosnia, then

If Greece can beat Cyprus and Gibraltar in last 2 matches, Greece standing with respect to 2nd spot will be 13 pts and goal difference +4 or better.

Will this be good enough?

Group D:

Serbia 18

Wales 14

Ireland 13

Worst scenario: Wales finish on 20 pts with wins away to Georgia (6/10) and at home to Ireland (9/10). This would make it mathematically impossible for Greece to better them as a 2nd placed qualifier.

2nd scenario: Ireland finish on 19 pts with wins at home to Moldova (6/10) and away to Wales (9/10). In this scenario, if Greece wins both its final 2 matches, we would be equal points with Ireland. Greece's goal difference is +3 (7) and Ireland 0 (7). Ireland would have to better Greece's result by 3 or more goals. Unlikely. 

Best scenario for Greece: Georgia draw with Wales (6/10) / Ireland draw or defeat Wales (9/10).

Group A:

France 17

Sweden 16

Netherlands 13

Bulgaria 12

France play Bulgaria away. Bulgaria have won all 4 home qualifiers, but lost 4-1 to France in France.

Sweden at home to Luxembourg (7/10) and Netherlands away to Belarus (7/10) should be easy wins for them.

Netherlands play at home to Sweden (10/10)

Worst scenario: France and Sweden finish on 20 or more points.

Best scenario for Greece: Netherlands beat Sweden at home (10/10). In this scenario, assuming Sweden and Netherlands win easy matches on 7/10, then both finish on 19pts if Netherlands can beat Sweden. Sweden's goal difference +3 (6) and Netherlands +2 (7) if Belarus is 6th placed in Group A.

Group E: 

Poland 19

Montenegro 16

Denmark 16

Key matches: Montenegro at home with Denmark (5/10) and away to Poland (8/10), Denmark at home with Romania (8/10).

Poland play Armenia at home (5/10) and I expect them to win.

Best scenario: Montenegro draws Denmark / draws or loses Poland / Denmark draws or loses to Romania OR Montenegro beats Denmark / loses to Poland. Montenegro goal difference +3 (6) and Denmark goal difference +4 (6). 

Prediction: Too many results need to go our way for this Group and I can't see anything but a Denmark win vs Romania. 

Group F: 

England 20

Slovakia 15

Slovenia 14

Scotland 14

Key matches: Slovakia away to Scotland (5/10) and Slovenia at England (5/10).

If Slovakia beat Scotland away would mean they are virtually guaranteed top 2 finish as their last match is at home with Malta (8/10). Assuming Slovakia draw with Scotland (5/10) then beat Malta, then they finish with 19pts +6 goal difference. Greece would need to beat Cyprus by more than 3 goals to better Slovakia.

Best scenario: Scotland beat Slovakia (5/10), England beat or draws Slovenia (5/10), Scotland draws Slovenia (8/10)

Group I:

Croatia 16

Iceland 16

Turkey 14

Ukraine 14

Ukraine plays Kosovo (6/10) and Iceland plays Kosovo (9/10) which should be easy wins.

Best scenario: Turkey beats Iceland at home (6/10) and draws Finland away (6/10), Croatia draws Finland at home (6/10), Croatia draws or beats Ukraine away (9/10)

Bottom line: If Croatia beat Finland and Turkey fails to beat Iceland then at least 2 teams will finish on 20 points <assuming Kosovo don't cause an upset>

...

Ps: All of this is meaningless, if we can't beat Cyprus or Bosnia doesn't drop points with either Belgium or Estonia.

I think our best chance is in besting Group D either over Wales or Ireland. In Group F I think Slovakia could slip up. Thanks for the analysis can't believe we are at risk of being the worst 2nd place team should we get to 19 points. 

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nice break down but you're absolutely right if we don't beat Cyprus then there is no need to worry what the other groups do. Good thing is we will no what the outcome of the Belgium and Bosnia match before we start our match.. after Saturdays game if we beat Cyprus and Bosnia drop points then we can focus on the other groups but for now we need to pray we get a win and Bosnia lose or draw.. I don't know if it's a good thing or bad thing the Greek team knowing the result of the Bosnia match before they play Cyprus..

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Hopefully Scotland don’t win away to Slovenia tomorrow & then Greece can focus on Gibraltar & the play-off. There are a few more results that can help but it would good if Slovenia don’t lose to not have to wait.

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With only the match at home to Gibraltar remaining for Greece in Group H if we look at Greece’s 2018 World Cup campaign, the Estonia match at home (0-0) was by far the biggest disappointment. The one & only loss for Greece against Belgium at home was probably it’s best performance. Belgium away along with Bosnia & Herzegovina away are usually impossible places for even the best to win & Greece got draws in both & possibly very close to winning both. 

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Slovenia v Scotland no doubt shapes as our best chance
A few things to make us a feel a little easier 
-slovenia have not lost at home all qualifiers
-They are still a slim chance to make the play-offs themselves, so they will be playing to win. However unlikely it is (they need to Slovakia to drop points against Malta) always a bonus having a team playing for something in-front of their fans. 
 

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Let's hope Slovenia can beat Scotland. I think Ukraine will give Croatia a battle and I can see that game being a draw. We just gotta get IN!

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im reading in case scotland drops points to slovenia we'll also need slovakia to beat malta, dunno why. not saying it won't happening but still.

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4 hours ago, Boxou said:

im reading in case scotland drops points to slovenia we'll also need slovakia to beat malta, dunno why. not saying it won't happening but still.

No it doesn't matter what Slovakia do as they can't  catch us in points no matter what. Their result against Malta is irrelevant to us in only matters for Slovenia.

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i was watching some athletic show and slovakia beating malta was amongst the results we needed to happen. but it was the first time i saw this scenario so they were probably mistaken. 

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Slovenia 0 Scotland 1 ht 

looks like we are going to come down to our last two chances tomorrow...  

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Slovenia is ahead on possession but that counts for little if they're not converting on their chances. Still 45 to go.

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