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4 4 2 has always been the tried and true. Skibbe probably will defend and counter attack as 4 2 3 1 and in general attack turn into a 4 3 3. Whatever system works I say. The most difficult decision is LW. If Fortounis is in the middle, stuffed if I know who goes to the left.. Bakasetas plays off both feet I suppose.

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In a true 442 diamond formation. Holebas and toro will have to run their asses off.

The issue I see is holebas will run up and will not come back and toro won't make it up there at all.

In a true diamond you need really quick fast and pacy fullbacks.

To add to this point, I don't think we have the midfielders required to pull it off.

I don't think we have the demeanour to get this right.

If you have all the ingredients. I really truly love this formation. IF.

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4 4 2 has always been the tried and true. Skibbe probably will defend and counter attack as 4 2 3 1 and in general attack turn into a 4 3 3. Whatever system works I say. The most difficult decision is LW. If Fortounis is in the middle, stuffed if I know who goes to the left.. Bakasetas plays off both feet I suppose.

What we need is someone to be able to actually carry the ball up from our defensive midfield position. That's why I've been advocating fourtounis to go there, even though it would cost us a 10. Kpaps is a CB. Not a dmf. He can play in the 352 or a 532. But he is on the bench in a flat four backline.

Our defenders are great defenders but are horrible with the ball at their feet. Soks makes a slalom run once in a while but he is slow.

The first pass out from the back is usually pretty poor.

Taxi gives great balls out. But we need a fourtounis type of player that can bring the ball up to shake things up a bit. Make a move. A fake. Twist and turn. Create some traffic and attention to free up the others and then feed them the ball in a planned attack.

That's what our lethargic team needs to change. We have been missing this type of midfielder since basinas retired. Kara would carry the ball and go to ground every 10 yards. Fourtounis is capable to carry the ball up and stay on his feet.

Also.

We have not had a proper winger In a long time and our players in general don't like to love much on the pitch. A guy that can do the work of carrying it up the middle would make a big difference for a team like ours.

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Tantra you Hellene, with the diamond, Cholevas/Holebas/Holevas-even, would play in the diamond, Toro looked very sharp here in Oztralia. Stafy can be LB and he is young. The wider midfielders would spread right out so the fullbacks don't have to run like box 2 box mids. It could possibly work.

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toro may have done great, but with this formation you need fast fullbacks.

 

holevas in the diamond... i never thought of that possibility.... I like it, it's possible. Staf ok.... but we need someone much faster than toro, younger and stronger.

 

i just don't see it being possible since our team is lethargic and slow.

 

The formation is made for teams that can run.

 

AS for the wider midfielders, the formation is for making overlapping runs. remember how many goals we ate on the left flank over the last 6 years? expect more of those with this formation with HELLAS

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A coach actually reporting some actual work results ( a line up not working) , instead of saying "we are currently working on that" "we are expecting that and that and that" is something new. Maybe Skibbe is a legit guy. As I said earlier. No need for a master tactician in NT level, just someone to unite the lads and form a team that can play ball with confidence.

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le Skibbe has to entrust Samaris as a deep lying mid, he is an elder statesman now, some success at the world cup too, or he goes permanently to 8, or goes out of the team. Need Fortounis  in the 10 position. He is our go guy, our best player. Good to know there is Mantalos there as well to keep pressing later in matches. 

The team shows structure but need Alot more consistency at finishing in front on the scoreboard. Hope they go back to back after winning in Melb, and defeat Ned.

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When it comes down to our last friendly against Netherlands if Skibbe does more tinkering and doesn't pick a line up that will replicate our line up at the WQ then he's truly an idiot and I will be so pissed off. As it stands now we are all still kind of scratching our heads to the potential line up and formation that skibbe wants to go with and we have imo wasted a lot of friendlies instead of trying to rebuild chemistry with the players we want to field at the WQ.

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So....here we are reading, analyzing, posting, and hoping for a successful WC Qualifying campaign later in the fall.

The weather is nice outside (for those of us situated in countries where it is summertime), the EURO is going on, chicks are waiting to be banged, and so much more, YET, we are all here reading, analyzing, posting.....

 

"What's your point?", you may ask.

 

Well, my point is that, right now, I can almost guarantee that not one Greek player of our beloved National Team is thinking about WC Qualifying and what THEY have to bring to the table to get results this time. Most of them are on the Greek islands partying or at the bouzoukia getting hammered. I am not saying that they do not deserve to have fun just like any other guy out there. I would be a hypocrite if I was. However, what I am getting at is that if players do not have a feeling "anger" inside of them after being embarrassed during the EURO qualifiers, then they are doomed. If the, "we will show the world that the last qualifying campaign was an absolute sh1t-show of a fluke" does not resonate in them, then they are doomed. Lastly, if they do not have, at the very least, an ounce of FILOTIMO which will make them all feel, deep down, that, this time, they owe more to themselves, the fans, and to the blue and white flag of our beloved Hellas, then they (and we) are doomed.

 

Can any of you realistically see a player like Buffon of Italy who yells his heart out with pride each and every time his anthem plays and who stayed with Juventus out of loyalty when they got relegated when he so easily could have gone to any top team in Europe, ever have an "I don't give a sh1t attitude?". Neither can I.

 

That's the attitude each and every player on Hellas needs to have and bring to each game.

 

Filotimo. Pride. HELLAS!

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Aek re Gamoto-gamoto, u must bang like a dunni door in a cyclone re. Analizing and posting gives me that orgasmic feeling. I'm sure I'm talking for most here, even the mauler, formely from the inner west of Sydney. Lets hope the next team picked will be the one that plays in the WCQ. If this happens, I'm going to hit my my peak.

The players are enjoying their off season, I'm sure they are as patriotic as other countries when the matches are on. I know Buffoon is like this, I would think our guys are as well in reality.

Next time you find a babe, ask her if she has a thia  and set me up, I'll talk to her talk the ethnikoi na poume.

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Guys lets be honest. The team is crap. No heart, no strategy even with talents like fortounis and mantalos coming through and anchors like Sokratis at the back.

We had an incredible decade but there's a natural ebb and flow to the production of quality players. We underestimated how much organization and passion guys like karagounis brought to the team.

And Santos failed spectacularly to bring new blood through. He was very much an in-the-moment coach, which is understandable I guess.

But this is really EPO's fault. They've failed to develop our youth system completely, screwed up with the coaches, F***ed the league ten ways from Sunday.

We have no personalities in this team, no one who will take the ball and make something happen through sheer force of will. And despite our talent at the back, our marking and organization has become garbage. No concentration. I have no optimism for this team at all, which is hard after believing anything was possible since 2004.

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Like to think Hellas are coming out of a rebuilding phase after a crap euro qualification attempt.

They showed they can high press as a team efficiently in Melbourne. They had too many players injured or not playing by they time they played their first game against Romania, 2 years ago.  Karagounis retired also, who engineered most things. They fell in a heap. To think Greece were a whisker away from the last 8 of the world cup 2 years ago, where Keylor Navas was superhuman for a period of 100 mins, he even surprised himself. 

 

Lets see the first two qualifiers to gauge if they came out of rebuilding. I'm backing them in.

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Seems our first match, vs Gibraltar, will be held in a neutral venue (Portugal). One of the 2004 stadiums. I change my mind, now I think we can beat them. Fierce.

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To bad Santos isn't with us....We would've had a good chance to qualify. Santos has brought stability and grit to Portugal and has taken them to the European finals!!!! Where are all the Santos heaters???

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I don't understand the hate that Santos is getting. I to would take him over any coach we've had over the last two years, the one thing Santos was good for was getting the team to play to its strengths even though a lot of people thought it was to "boring" I also think Even with the lose of some of our veterans Santos would have build in our world cup success and we would have qualified for the euros. Even though I didn't agree with everything he did he still new how to get this team to suffocate opponents defensively and play inspired football. Those 3-1 games we lost to Irleand or the loss to Finland and the FI at worst would have been a draw in my opinion. I think everything hit this team like a ton of bricks Karagounis retiring then Samaras no longer on the team, Santos leaving, all these things that occurred left the team lost with no one to lead or inspire. To many changes all at once F***ED this team.

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Santos was not the coach we needed going forward after 2013, never mind 2014. Despite Bosnia beating Greece 3-1, he decided to stick with Karagounis and Katsouranis. It proved Santos couldn't build a team without at least one of the two in it. Both players were too old: after the World Cup Karagounis retired and Katsouranis played in India. That alone was enough reason to search elsewhere, regardless of the other issues that faced Greece by September 2014.

 

Santos is a good coach, make no mistake, but he reached his limits with Greece.

 

Personally, I'd have preferred if Greece showed Ranieri more patience or if we had signed Bielsa. Bielsa would literally reshape Greek football on a level no other coach can, just look at his influence over Chile. If people thought what Rehhagel did was incredible, Bielsa would have taken Greece a step beyond that. I'm not suggesting we'd have won a major tournament with Bielsa, but Greek football would have been better for his influence.

 

In any event, at this point I can only hope Skibbe can inspire these players. He's what we have now. My feelings are also very strong on the idea of us playing 3-5-2, with two AMs instead of two DMs. I really see no other way forward with Greece, but I'm not sure Skibbe thinks that way and my expectations of him are low. As a matter of fact, I prefer Markarian to Skibbe.

 

santos learned a few rehhagel tricks that he brought to portugal

 

they have one of the best attacking players in the world and that is good marriage with his managerial style

 

in greece, he brought us to a dead end

 

regardless, good for him for whatever he did with PORTUGAL

 

i'm pretty sure he would rather face france over germany

 

germany will slice them and dice them

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Santos persisted with Karagounis and Katsouranis so, Tziolis may well of been made captain before Salpingitis. We will never know.

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Santos is a results based orientated coach which IMO is perfect for international football. His philosophy is to make his teams hard to beat irrespective of game style. He would have have found a way to get us to this tournament I have no doubt about that. Yes his 3 draws in the group stage looked terrible on paper but with the new format 3 points and a 0 Gd is all you need to get through, as I said he finds a way.

The only thing that annoys me is dumping ranieri so quickly, obviously he looks a million bucks now after what he did at Leicester, but having him go through a failed qualifying campaign would have given him enough time to see how to build this team in a new qualifying campaign, with skibbe we are sort of back at square one late 2014 as the games he has coached have basically been dead rubbers.

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I don't think there was a a chance Ranieri would have stayed had we not qualified...

 

Ranieri is no the type of manager that would stay coaching greece beyond a failure....to then rebuild....he would not be your 4-6 years coach..

 

skibbe is more suited to this task...

 

i would have been very worried if skibbe took over now...

 

I think him being in the job since late last year and seeing us play various opposition has helped immensely..

 

What skibbe/ranieri/santos can not do is how well Belgium play v Ethniki in March 2017.....the sheer gulf in ability and talent is enormous..

 

One can argue a good coach can plan for this and prepare us accordingly..yes..in theory..it will be a long night...

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You trying to point out we need to prepare for Belgium now ? No bro, realistic aim is 2nd spot, we aim to winning all other matches until then , while preparing for that much "on our free time".

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