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the latest developments on the amphipolis tomb is that katerina peristeri has found evidence that the tomb was build for hephaestion. they found his monogram , project contract and more. they think its a shrine.

 

http://greece.greekreporter.com/2015/09/30/hephaestions-monogram-found-at-amphipolis-tomb/

 

http://www.ancient-origins.net/news-history-archaeology/ancient-amphipolis-tomb-was-commissioned-alexander-great-his-closest-friend-020551

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http://www.ekathimerini.com/202867/article/ekathimerini/life/ancient-warriors-tomb-treasure-hoard-found-in-greece

 

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Ancient warrior's tomb, treasure hoard found in Greece

 

 

US archaeologists in Greece have uncovered the skeleton of an ancient warrior that has lain undisturbed for more than 3,500 years along with a huge hoard of treasure, the Greek culture ministry announced Monday.

The treasure is "the most important to have been discovered in 65 years" in continental Greece, the ministry said.

The wooden coffin of the unknown soldier ? evidently a person of some importance ? was found on the site of the Mycenaean-era Palace of Nestor on Greece's Peloponnese peninsula.

He had been laid to rest with an array of fine gold jewelery, including an ornate string of pearls, signet rings, a bronze sword with a gold and ivory handle, silver vases and ivory combs.

The jewelery is decorated in the style of the Minoans, the civilization that flourished on the island of Crete from around 2000 BC, with the figures of deities, animals and floral motifs.

The archaeologists, Jack L. Davis and Sharon R. Stocker from the University of Cincinnati, have identified more than 1,400 pieces "whose quality testifies to the influence of the Minoans" on the later Mycenaeans.

The Mycenean civilization spread from the Peloponnese across the whole of the eastern Mediterranean in the 2nd century BC.

The tomb, which stands at 2.4 meters (7 feet 10 inches) long and 1.5 meters wide, was unearthed during excavations begun in May near Pylos, on the site of the palace of Nestor.
Built between 1300 and 1200 BC, the palaces ruins were discovered in 1939.

 

 

I've been to this palace twice, once at night during a full moon. Simply amazing. The original palace was built by Minoans. The Myceneans built on top of it.

 

I think the article made a mistake with 2nd century BC vs 2nd millennium. 

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you article is way better than mine.

 

i think most if not all the palaces in the peleponnese were originally built by minoans

 

it's not that far away from crete and there was definitely trade going on 

 

the archaelogist presenting on site, during my visit, showed me things  in the structure that were proof that it was minoan

 

mind boggling location, near the natural bay at Pylos, just south of the island Proti on a little hill right behind the Costa Navarino ... i wish i was there right now ....gamoto

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For those living in the Chicago area or visiting the city between November 25, 2015 and April 10, 216, The Field Museum will host an exhibition called The Greeks - Agamemnon to Alexander the Great. Here are the details:

 

 

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Take an exceptional journey through 5,000 years of Greek history and culture in The Field Museum?s latest exhibition, The Greeks?Agamemnon to Alexander the Great. Encounter Mycenaean rulers and priestesses, warriors and princesses of Archaic Greece, and heroes and athletes of Classical Athens and Sparta. This once-in-a-lifetime exhibition features more than 500 priceless treasures?many of which never have been displayed outside of Greece?from 21 Greek museums. Discover how the ancient Greeks saw themselves, their society, and their gods. Explore pivotal moments that led to the birth of Western democracy, philosophy, and theater, and learn how Greek culture continues to shape the modern arts, science, medicine, and sports.

 

The Greeks is co-presented in Chicago by The Field Museum and the National Hellenic Museum, and made possible by the generous contribution of The John P. Calamos Foundation and John P. Calamos, Sr., Chairman of the Board of Trustees of the National Hellenic Museum.

 

 

Also at the Field Museum between November 25, 2015 - December 4, 2016 the exhibition called Echoes of Stone Age Greece will be presented. details for that one:

 

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Imagine for a second a world suspended in time. What could a long-forgotten cave, sealed off by an earthquake thousands of years ago, tell us about how people lived in times past?

 

Echoes of Stone Age Greece invites you into the enormous caverns and secret lakes of Alepotrypa, which serve as a passageway into Neolithic Greece. The bones and artifacts found there are helping scientists solve the riddle of why some human settlements disappear from history, while others flourish to turn into powerful civilizations. In this exhibition, you can explore Alepotrypa Cave yourself using a touchscreen panorama, and be one of the first to see a 3D model of the cave built from newfound data.

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That second one actually looks more interesting to me. I think I'm overdue for a return trip to Chicago. Bougatsa for everyone!

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That second one actually looks more interesting to me. I think I'm overdue for a return trip to Chicago. Bougatsa for everyone!

 

 

pame ..... haven't been to the windy city since 2007 ...... 10 lbs of deep dish 

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For those living in the Chicago area or visiting the city between November 25, 2015 and April 10, 216, The Field Museum will host an exhibition called The Greeks - Agamemnon to Alexander the Great. Here are the details:

 

 

greeks_identity_5x3_horizontal_final.jpg

 

Take an exceptional journey through 5,000 years of Greek history and culture in The Field Museum?s latest exhibition, The Greeks?Agamemnon to Alexander the Great. Encounter Mycenaean rulers and priestesses, warriors and princesses of Archaic Greece, and heroes and athletes of Classical Athens and Sparta. This once-in-a-lifetime exhibition features more than 500 priceless treasures?many of which never have been displayed outside of Greece?from 21 Greek museums. Discover how the ancient Greeks saw themselves, their society, and their gods. Explore pivotal moments that led to the birth of Western democracy, philosophy, and theater, and learn how Greek culture continues to shape the modern arts, science, medicine, and sports.

 

The Greeks is co-presented in Chicago by The Field Museum and the National Hellenic Museum, and made possible by the generous contribution of The John P. Calamos Foundation and John P. Calamos, Sr., Chairman of the Board of Trustees of the National Hellenic Museum.

 

 

Also at the Field Museum between November 25, 2015 - December 4, 2016 the exhibition called Echoes of Stone Age Greece will be presented. details for that one:

 

greek_cave-horiz.png?itok=DhMfo5ps

 

Imagine for a second a world suspended in time. What could a long-forgotten cave, sealed off by an earthquake thousands of years ago, tell us about how people lived in times past?

 

Echoes of Stone Age Greece invites you into the enormous caverns and secret lakes of Alepotrypa, which serve as a passageway into Neolithic Greece. The bones and artifacts found there are helping scientists solve the riddle of why some human settlements disappear from history, while others flourish to turn into powerful civilizations. In this exhibition, you can explore Alepotrypa Cave yourself using a touchscreen panorama, and be one of the first to see a 3D model of the cave built from newfound data.

 

 

i think this exposition was here in Montreal earlier this year.

 

 

 

 

here it is ...found it

 

http://www.pacmusee.qc.ca/en/exhibitions/the-greeks-agamemnon-to-alexander-the-great

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You know just how to reach a lad's heart

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That second one actually looks more interesting to me. I think I'm overdue for a return trip to Chicago. Bougatsa for everyone!

 

If and when you come let me know and I will direct you to the best bougatsa in town. Not that there are that many places to choose from.

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Good video on the battle that saw the end of the Macedonians as a major force and the start of Greece being rules by the Romans. Now I know why the Phalanx formation went out of fashion too. Its an old vid since all the graphics are from Rome total war haha.

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Oh yeah and this might sound random, but does anyone here speak/know Ancient Greek, or has at least tried it before?

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I know very little Pontian, the language shares some words that are identical to those in Ancient Greek. I have a cousin who knows Ancient Greek pretty well.

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I have been living in Italy for the past 5 months. A couple of weeks ago I went to Naples for four days so I had the chance to go to Pompeii. The weather was nice so it was perfect for having a tour. As much as I was impressed with what I saw, I think the more ancient sites I see the more I realise how indifferent we are today. The only things that have changed is technology and mentalities. We still just want to eat, drink and have sex.

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^^^

Westworld is a new series on HBO. Its premise is "to satisfy every desire of the guests"...  In one scene, the question is, "do you know why Westworld is so successful?" and the answer is, because it gives people what they really want.... to F*** and kill!

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1 hour ago, athinaios said:

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Westworld is a new series on HBO. Its premise is "to satisfy every desire of the guests"...  In one scene, the question is, "do you know why Westworld is so successful?" and the answer is, because it gives people what they really want.... to F*** and kill!

Superb show by the way.

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2 hours ago, Bananas said:

Superb show by the way.

I watched all episodes. I couldn't help thinking about AI (artif. intel) and what conscience is...   How would you know if a machine is conscious? Is the line somewhere between competence and comprehension? Machines (and not only :cool:) are competent in performing tasks, but comprehension involves understanding that leads to more complex behavior, synthesize information and create new concepts, actions, etc.

Then at which point a machine can be self-conscious? Is there any way to know? I assume you are conscious because you're very similar to me, and I know I'm conscious (well, most of the time :coffee-532684:).

Guys, if you like Westworld you'll definitely like Ex Machina.

 

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8 hours ago, athinaios said:

.. the answer is, because it gives people what they really want.... to F*** and kill!

Yes, great show, but is that all people want? What would you do if could go to Westworld?

I also think that fantasy could be fun to pursue at times. I've played video games, even thought about how it'd be to kill another human being, but I hold that human lives are very precious, and I'm not at all violent. Could I kill? Possibly, but in self defense or to save other lives from unjustified violence.  So, Westworld is a fantasy world where I think it's OK to play in-person "video" games. 

It's those in the real world who think violence is the first option that I'm concerned of.

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1 minute ago, Epicurus said:

Yes, great show, but is that all people want? What would you do if could go to Westworld?

I'd learn how to ride a horse really well..:children-870953:

5 hours ago, Hudson said:

I watched all episodes. I couldn't help thinking about AI (artif. intel) and what conscience is...   How would you know if a machine is conscious? Is the line somewhere between competence and comprehension? Machines (and not only :cool:) are competent in performing tasks, but comprehension involves understanding that leads to more complex behavior, synthesize information and create new concepts, actions, etc.

Then at which point a machine can be self-conscious? Is there any way to know? I assume you are conscious because you're very similar to me, and I know I'm conscious (well, most of the time :coffee-532684:).

Guys, if you like Westworld you'll definitely like Ex Machina.

 

Interesting questions. I'd be in a quandary if my robotic house cleaner said I'm working "her" too much. :blush:

Ex Machina is a great movie with lots of twists and an unexpected ending.

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20 hours ago, Hudson said:

I watched all episodes. I couldn't help thinking about AI (artif. intel) and what conscience is...   How would you know if a machine is conscious?

At this stage the idea of a machine that is truly conscious is in the realm of sci-fi.  Maybe it always will be.  It certainly won't be in our life times as romantic (or scary) as the concept is.

If we're talking about machines that can "act" like they're people, that is definitely feasible.  Not any time soon, but it's just a matter of time.  If the programming was broad and complex enough and the computational power sufficient you'd have a machine that for all intents and purposes "looks like" it's a human.  You'd probably have some "base" programming where all the machines are the same and other things could be up to the machine.  When I say up to the machine, it's still just following its programming but maybe makes selections/choices that aren't important (e.g. what it's favourite colour is) in a random number generator sort of fashion.

Then again, maybe we're doing the same thing except in our case the programming code is in our DNA.

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OK. But, it's already happening.... and, technology is advancing rapidly.  In my lifetime, I've seen magic becoming reality. We went to the moon with such a primitive technology. The computers (real term) of NACA (before it was renamed NASA) were actual people, like the three women Katherine Johnson, Mary Jackson and Dorothy Vaughan portrayed in the film, Hidden Figures, who calculated trajectories and other vital space flight data. If someone had pulled out a modern mobile phone, they would have been taken in by gov as an ..alien (undocumented, of course :happy-300900:)

Now, what to you think it'll happen when humans merge with machines? They're already putting chips in brains to control diseases like Alzheimer's, and other body parts are already replaceable. Where will be the line human-machine?

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Merging with machines and consciousness are not the same.  And even merging with machines creates weird scenarios.

For example, let's say we could make a complete copy of your brain and store that on a machine.  You die shortly after.  Using cloning technology or some other technology a body is grown.  It's got everything except the brain.  We get a brain that's been grown, do a format brain: in Windows 42, to make sure it's completely clean with no data, and then copy the data from the machine to the brain.  The brain is then inserted into the freshly grown body.

Voila!  You're back!  But is that you ?  What if I did the same procedure but with two bodies ?!?!  Which one is "you" ?  And hence the conundrum.  The answer I believe, is that neither of them is you.  The "you" that died was a unique "version" or "copy" and it's well and truly gone.  Just like when you run a program on a computer.  It's executing a copy of the program that is unique.  If you end that copy and then run a second copy shortly thereafter, even if the result is the same, they were a different instance of the same program.

This is all gets weird quite quickly.  And I'm sure if the technology was available, the temptation for loved ones to bring back someone deceased will be strong and in their mind to hell with philosophical questions.

Just imagine, Trump being virtually immortal.  Lots of Trumps.  Trumps, Trumps everywhere.  NOW ARE YOU AFRAID ?!?!?!

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Getting slightly off topic.

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