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Gained a full point due to Olympiakos' win yesterday, we're now at 28.7. Czechs are one place above us, in 13th, with 29.725.

 

With yesterday's result, we have matched the points total Greece added for the 12/13 season, which is serving as a drag on our total coefficient. 11/12 will be dropping out of the calculations for next season, however, so we desperately need more points to offset. Which you all already knew.

 

http://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/data/method4/crank2016.html

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The last 3 years, here are the clubs that have given Greece the most coefficient points.

 

Olympiacos 39 points (11 18 10)

PAOK 23 points (6 10 7)

Asteras 12 points (8.5 0.5 3)

PAO 6.5 points (4.5 2)

Atromitos 3.5 points (0.5 1 2)

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You did forget the points that Xanthi gained in the 2013/2014 season. The incredible amount of .....

1 point.

As the CL participant gets a minimum of 4 bonuspoints each season Oly gathered 27 points through their results in their European games. Still the most of all Greek clubs, I must admit.

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You are right, Reaper.

Now we have just completed the top 6 or all points.

It will be difficult to get to the twelfth spot. Czech Republic is do-able (Asteras knows what to do against Sparta Prague). Switzerland not (the more so if they collect points in the last minute as Sion did yesterday). Turkey maybe, but very difficult.

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As bad as it is, maybe we deserve to be 13th. The points don't lie. Back when Greece was ranked 6th, you had Olympiakos, PAO and AEK all at a high and similar level. PAOK a bit further back. But between these 4 it was enough to accumulate points consistently. Until PAO and AEK improve, we won't be moving up the rankings.

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This is true, you need multiple teams to contribute. Unless Olympiakos wins the CL without any draws or losses until then, we won't be able to make up these kinds of points.

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As bad as it is, maybe we deserve to be 13th. The points don't lie. Back when Greece was ranked 6th, you had Olympiakos, PAO and AEK all at a high and similar level. PAOK a bit further back. But between these 4 it was enough to accumulate points consistently. Until PAO and AEK improve, we won't be moving up the rankings.

 

 

PAOK have been a bigger contributor today than in the times were ranked 6th.....yes PAOK had some good results back then...but over the 5 year cycle PAOK are doing better now..

 

PAO has been the let down....to a lesser degree Asteras has collected AEK's losses...

 

also let's not forget at the time we were 6th...Russia and Ukraine were not big spenders....it was right at the cusp of when these two went nuts with the mafia dollars...

 

The highest we can ever hope for is 9th or 10th...

 

Spain

England

Germany

Italy

France

Portugal

Russia

Holland

 

will consistently be ahead of us....

 

then  Ukraine, Turkey, Belgium we can mix it with...

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Very true about the Russian big spending Sheriff. Agree with your list above of countries we can't expect to surpass, with the exception of Holland. They can be inconsistent and have some years where they don't accumulate many points. They could possibly be caught assuming our sides got their shizen together.

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I wish Holland would be ahead.

We are entering the Dark Ages of football here.

The avarage of some teams here is 21 and that is just because the keeper is 30 something. Young players leave earlier and earlier.

Not to mention the National team. 24 (!!!!) countries qualify for EURO 2016, but Holland failed.

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Very true about the Russian big spending Sheriff. Agree with your list above of countries we can't expect to surpass, with the exception of Holland. They can be inconsistent and have some years where they don't accumulate many points. They could possibly be caught assuming our sides got their shizen together.

 

I believe we are set to overtake Holland for a fleeting moment in the next year or so...as they are set to lose points from a big season...

 

However long term and into the future Dutch clubs will more often than not accumulate more points than GSL clubs...

 

Long term we have a greater chance of out performing Swiss/Belgian/Czech/Turkish clubs than Dutch...

 

I think the Czechs are capable of doing a 'Romania'.....blowing out by August for a season or two...just like Scottish/Croat/Cypriot clubs..

 

The interesting thing about Holland is if you look at the ladder in the Dutch league... clubs with strong coefficient points like AZ , Twente, Heerneven are down the ladder....so if they don't make Europe the other clubs that do face the prospect of being unseeded in the qualifying rounds and therefore bowing out early..leaving PSV and Ajax yo carry the burden alone...

 

if you look at the accumulation of UEFA coefficient points for the second tier nations.....a lot of the points gained come from good runs in Europa/UEFA by the second string clubs doing well for 2-3 seasons...

 

similar to how Greece went up to 6th spot....AEK/PAO/Aris collecting points over consecutive years in a weak Uefa cup...

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I think we will not be able to catch the Swiss and Czechs.

But for the next years it was good that Besiktas was eliminated after starting as leader in their group. It was also good that Liberec and Plzen were eliminated.

Rank - Country - Points - clubs still in competition/clubs started

10 Netherlands 35.229 1/ 6

11 Turkey 33.400 2/ 5

12 Switzerland 32.975 2/ 5

13 Czech Republic 31.325 1/ 5

14 Greece 29.700 1/ 5

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After the elimination of the last representative of Greece we trail by:

5.696 points to #10 Netherlands

4.500 points to #11 Turkey

3.875 points to #12 Switzerland

2.425 points to #13 Czech Republic

And they all have a representative left.

#9 is Belgium but they are to far away to even mention.

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I can imagine that, Reaper.

Next year we will start on spot #13 with the following (dis)advantages:

#08 Ukraine -/- 12.633 + ??

#09 Belgium -/- 7.800 + ??

#10 Turkey -/- 7.000 + ??

#11 Switzerland -/- 6.475 + ??

#12 Czech Republic -/- 4.775 + ??

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#14 Netherlands + 0.304

#15 Romania + 1.050

#16 Croatia + 1.975

#17 Austria + 4.125

#18 Sweden + 5.125

Must hope that teams like Sparta Prague, Basel and Fener get eliminated in the next round.

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Yes, but both will start in Q3.

Oly in the easier champions-road. The other Greek participant in the more difficult road for runners-up, number 3/4 of England, Spain etc.

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The only positive is that if Olympiacos next season (assuming they win the league) - get through qualification, it will generate even more co-efficient points, plus the 4 bonus points on qualification. The other positive is AEK may pick up some points. We will have AEK, PAOK PAO and Oly most probably working hard for victories.

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There is still a chance that our champion will go to the group stage of CL and the cup winner to the group stage of EL in the upcoming European season. It all depends on who will win the current CL and EL.

 

Frankly though I don't see Greece making the number 12 position in the rankings anytime soon. it will take several years. And the longer the Superleague remains a bourdello, the longer it will take.

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