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As for you La Mendel, you might still get hard over Katsou and Goonis but that doesn't add to the debate about how we get the Ethniki back to where we all want it.

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^^

 

What a surprise, Karagounis hanging on for the money. That is true passion.

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So Markarian is class for resigning but the same standards or logic don't apply to Karagounis as the TD?

Also when Karagounis, Katsouranis, Vydra & Salpi (to name the obvious main culprits) were still carrying their sorry carcasses around the field where was their "class" to admit they weren't good enough and retire? Different standards. Katalava.

I think we all want the best for the Ethniki but some on these forums are stuck in 2004.

 

Why are they the main culprits or why should they have been retired? Karagounis retired after the World Cup, Katsouranis played only two matches (had a cameo role against Hungary and was arguably our best player against Poland) and the team performed better on these occasions than on any of the other games after the second round of the WC, Vyntra played only 11 minutes against NI, and he was in the starting XI against Finland and Poland (acceptable performances by him), Salpingidis played still less.  Or do you think Karagounis, Salpingidis and the other should have retired before the World Cup? They were among our strongest players (played regularly for the team on the qualification matches and in the final too, especially Karagounis showed there he has still got it). So why are they to blame for the hopeless production on the last year?

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What do you mean by "he is right"? The players he mentioned played only a couple of matches in the last year. So why should they be culpable, first of all? And you wrote another harangue. I am glad. (Among others, Fyssas is now to blame for the recent losses and problems. No comment.)

I dont want discuss these matters again and again. One more time Ill try to explain this. Most of our midfielders are mediocre players. Santos played 37-y-o Karagounis and/or 35-y-o Katsouranis because he hadnt better midfielders. The younger "options" (Kone/Tachtsidis/Christodoulopoulos/Fetfatzidis) STINK. This could be seen in the last year fairly well. Even Maniatis is not so good, but he does at least the dirty work. As for the others, Samaris, Kone and the others are at this moment at most average. Tziolis too, but he is more diligent. After Karagounis retired and Katsouranis (for a couple of months) disappeared, the younger midfielders you always wanted - the players I mentioned before - were horrible against Northern Ireland, the Faroe Islands and Romania. None of the new midfielders is on the same level as for example Karagounis, Zagorakis, Katsouranis or Basinas was. That this is a great problem (how to achieve outstanding results with - for the moment - zero outstanding midfielders) was proven against Hungary, when Maniatis wasnt available and Markari?n played Kyriakos Papadopoulos as a central midfielder, also one of the centre backs.

Yet I think with a proper match strategy (defense first + counterattacks & set-pieces), the Ethniki can achieve great things again, with some of these midfielders as starters too. Only the head coach should have rely on the players who can contribute most to the effective national team.

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The soap opera continues. I don't know what is going on behind the scenes but there is and has been definitely something wrong with our NT post World Cup. I'm not part of the team nor do I pretend to know everything but I have drawn some of my own conclusions. Firstly my theory is that our players were promised money by EPO that they were entitled to for reaching the final 16 of the World Cup. The players as we all know and was made public declined the money and wanted all of it put towards the youth soccer and bettering the fields and training grounds for them. I have a strong hunch that our good old friendly EPO crooks never gave any money and thus the players all rebelled and never played for Ranieri or EPO from that point on. This is one theory that makes absolute sense to me and explains our poor results.

 

Another one is that Ranieri was brought in against the players wishes who never wanted Santos to leave and from what I am reading EPO did everything in their power to make sure he did and succeeded. Ranieri came in then soon to follow (Mr. can't stay away from the NT..... Karagounis). They had to find something for Karatoumba to do and gave him the TD position and everything spiraled from there. Knowing Karagounis he formed his clicka and turned players against Ranieri as he did when he was playing. He made sure to omit Holebas from selection and probably ruffled some feathers in the process. Get this guy far away from the NT he is a cancer. Him and Katsouranus. They were when they were playing and he continued to be past his playing days. He always had to be the center of attention. Never coming off (not even in friendlies), taking every free kick, every corner (when we had players with a way better leg than him especially as he got up there in age).

 

EPO obviously has no choice now as Markarian resigned and it is clear Kara had something to do with this as well. He obviously made promises to him when he was hired and told him he would have carte blanche for selections and that is not what transpired as the egomaniac had to flex his muscle and stick his nose in player selection and starting lineups. GOOD RIDDANCE!!!! Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out George.

 

We have time with the games left in this campaign to save face and climb the rankings again and win out possibly and get in some good friendlies and continue building positive results towards our World Cup qualifying campaign. I can't believe EPO allowed it to come to this. 

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Oh well, back to the farm wih Kara. Heroics as a player, a burden as an assistant coach.

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EPO just doing nothing. There only job is to make sure we have coach. They are paid to do that. 

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As Reaper posted, karagounis and Markarian are history.

Great news correct?

Err no...the talk is that Karagounis's role will be filled by Nikolpolidis (Basinas, Charisteas and Lyberopoulos are also possibilities.

The new coach is most likely....wait for it.....

Aggelos Anastasiadis!

We are doomed and we will be in the footballing dark ages for generations! Greece's economy will recover by the time our national side does.

Talk about incompetent and short sighted! Please bring us back Fyssas and Ranieri!

I'll fall in to depression if these rumours are true!

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For me is nothing to do with idiocy. It is more to do with the ancient Greek tradition of looking after your friends at the expense of the greater good. Same things happen in Italy. Best man for the job? Nope. The most 'connected' man gets the job. 

 

Greece is not a meritocracy. 

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^^ Just think of the worse possible option and that should be it. Someone who does not watch videos of opponents, protects cliques.. etc

 

Michel, Bielsa, Schuster etc - no chance. EPO is not interested. 

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I will respectfully disagree about Anastasiadis.

The guy is in his 60s. Never achieved anything as a coach aside from a cup with PAOK. I'd take Donis any day.

Worst possible decision. We will be a rabble from day 1 under him.

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Anastasiadis with Alefantos as his assistant. Now that's entertainment.

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I feel its a lost cause EPO isn't looking for a coach they are looking for a puppet.Any coach that comes in with a different idea or is against the cliques will be booted out quicker than they arrived. There's really not much that a coach can do the problem lies with the entire EPO as we are all aware.

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We need to go into our last euro qualifiers with the coach that will be with us for the World Cup qualifiers. We cant keep changing coaches. Knowing the EPO they will probably hire a coach the day before our first world qualifier game. This is no way of finding our game and becoming a consistent team to many changes to close to competition.

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There you go Karagounis released "yia sovaro logo" for a very serious reason. He is guilty to some degree of something and we'll probably never know the truth. You will see better results now that he's gone. Should have let him go off into the sunset after his final game at last years World Cup. Team will be much better off without him.

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