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500k to 1.7 million in Greece.  That's what the survey show.

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I can't believe I'm discussing fan polls. Surveys are as reliable as facebook, which is to say, not at all. Incidentally,  that site shows 500k "likes" for PAOK. Unless you think 100% of respondents to the survey are also facebook fans of the team?

Long story short, PAO is going to be someone's client if they want to stay in the top division. Unless you think all those millions of fans start donating serious cash to that club, for some reason.

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30 minutes ago, pash said:

I can't believe I'm discussing fan polls. Surveys are as reliable as facebook, which is to say, not at all. Incidentally,  that site shows 500k "likes" for PAOK. Unless you think 100% of respondents to the survey are also facebook fans of the team?

Long story short, PAO is going to be someone's client if they want to stay in the top division. Unless you think all those millions of fans start donating serious cash to that club, for some reason.

You wish.   Nova is holding on to 10 million of debts....That's paid in 2 years. The total debts for past players is 5 million,  by the end of March that's taken care of.  The other debts to government and example OAKA,  they have already agreed to a 40 percent reduction....The government has set up a loan with the Greek bank....17 million paid in 140 instalments.  Basically PAO will be paying 1.2 million a year....That's nothing.  Within 2 seasons PAO will be going for a championship.

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6 minutes ago, jvc said:

You wish.   Nova is holding on to 10 million of debts....That's paid in 2 years. The total debts for past players is 5 million,  by the end of March that's taken care of.  The other debts to government and example OAKA,  they have already agreed to a 40 percent reduction....The government has set up a loan with the Greek bank....17 million paid in 140 instalments.  Basically PAO will be paying 1.2 million a year....That's nothing.  Within 2 seasons PAO will be going for a championship.

So basically Greek tax payers will have to pay for your debts? If this is actually the case then Greece is indeed a third world country that deserves everything that happend in the last 10 years of crisis. 

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4 hours ago, Klaous said:

I think the only team that could possible draw with AEK is Panathinaikos right now. If AEK loses against us and draws against them, then we are again in the pole position for the championship. However, we would still have to beat Panathinaikos in Leoforos. I cannot even remember the last time we won there. In other words, we would rely on Panathinaikos playing hostile towards AEK and friendly with us. 

No way PAO take it easy against us.  They never have, never will, nor should they.  They should play to the best of their ability and I'd expect nothing less.  If we can't beat PAO in Leoforos that's our problem.

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19 minutes ago, Klaous said:

So basically Greek tax payers will have to pay for your debts? If this is actually the case then Greece is indeed a third world country that deserves everything that happend in the last 10 years of crisis. 

This is business practice even in Noth America....it's called negotiating debts.  The tax will mostly be on the 17 million owned....plus Alafouzos needs to pay 3 million shortly.  PAO is doing their best to pay back.  At the end of the day....getting over 60 percent of money owned,  is very good in my opinion.

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How is that any different than municipalities paying for stadiums? It is in everyone's best interest that PAO continues to get stronger.  Without a PAO or an OLY, that league will be weaker.

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2 hours ago, Bananas said:

No way PAO take it easy against us.  They never have, never will, nor should they.  They should play to the best of their ability and I'd expect nothing less.  If we can't beat PAO in Leoforos that's our problem.

That's the right attitude....don't expect favors if you want to win the league. PAO will give 100% of their depleted abilities against both PAOK and AEK now that the players and coaching staff have seperated themselves from Alafouzo and Konstantinou. PAOK need to not drop points and beat AEK head to head to ensure the title.

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And I would not want it any other way. The games should be played on the field. 

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8 hours ago, Brklyngrk said:

How is that any different than municipalities paying for stadiums? It is in everyone's best interest that PAO continues to get stronger.  Without a PAO or an OLY, that league will be weaker.

Actually, if you see it from a common good perspective, Greek taxpayers should not have to finance some private football clubs just because they have a lot of fans and powerful presidents. Whether it is PAO, AEK, PAOK or any other big club in Greece. But since Greece is not able to learn from the past, it will not recover and keep being a country full of debts and mismanagement.

Άξιοι της μοίρας σας is all I have to say to everyone living in Greece. 

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Τότε δεν έγινε τίποτα!

Ούτε ένα μήνα νωρίτερα, στις 28 Ιανουρίου, στον αγώνα Αστέρας Τρίπολης-Ολυμπιακός 1-1, έγινε παρόμοιο περιστατικό, πολύ χειρότερο από αυτό της Τούμπας, αλλά όλα συνεχίστηκαν σα να μη συνέβη τίποτα.

Πιο συγκεκριμένα, ο Προτό δέχθηκε ΟΛΟΚΛΗΡΟ ρολό χαρτιού (το οποίο δεν άνοιξε στον αέρα) και μάλιστα ΑΚΡΙΒΩΣ ΣΤΟ ΚΕΦΑΛΙ, αντικείμενο το οποίο εκτοξεύθηκε από το πέταλο των γηπεδούχων. Ο Βέλγος τερματοφύλακας ήταν φυσικά σε θέση να συνεχίσει το παιχνίδι, ο Καραπαπάς δεν του είπε «κάτσε κάτω», ο Θεοδωρίδης δεν είπε «παίρνω την ομάδα και φεύγω» και ζήσαν αυτοί καλά και εμείς… καλύτερα.

Still: Why did that R-hidi throw that thing at that moment? Was just enjoying the fact that all around the stadium our fans found a alternative kind of begalika with the papers they threw to create atmosfera. And then one person ruins it for everyone with a black and white heart.

It would love to see our management trying to appeal but also to make - as the first team in Greece - the statement that they do not tolerate these [email protected]@kies anymore. First by hiring a security that search everyone wanting to attend the match thoroughly (hire even the Canadian Border Security if there is no good private company in Greece) and then second giving anyone (!) that violates our house rules a ban for 5 years, 10 years of life depending on the kind of violation.

It won’t be easy as the mindset is not ready in Greece, but somehow, somewhere, this must be stopped. Let our team be the first. Our guests (I say this with irony as a experienced in person that in football everyother than the hometeam is treated like a dog or less) should fear a defeat with a margin of 4 or 5 goals but they should not fear to be hit by any object while entering the field or taking a corner.

Lets stop this “mangia” of outsmarting the other by cheating. This also includes players that fake injuries or make dives. They all considere themselves as real men but if a finger of another touches them they fall down like soldiers in battlefield (Diego Costa of Atletico is the best example: he is a bull but he falls down like a sissy when you touch him). PAOK should the first club to implement this! Sub the diver immediately. It is idealistic. I know but I’m sick and tired of this situation going on and on. Not only in Greece (I just mentioned Diego Costa, but all the Neymar’s and Suarez’s of this world) Try to convince EPO and SL that this is not fair play. And implement a two match suspension for faking/diving. Like in the UK.

So. I hope I did not bore you with my vision, idealistic dreams (and frustration). I’m now going to watch Qatar Saint Germain against Real Mashit. Divers all over the place. Cheers!

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I've been screaming essentially the same thing into my pillow as I cry myself to sleep at night for years! There's absolutely no reason people should be sneaking weapons and projectiles in...and there's even less reason why we should be unable to locate and punish them. If I threw a bottle at a basketball game around here, I'd be tackled and arrested within 45 seconds, guaranteed. And yet in Greece, the land of freedom and no repercussions, everything goes.

The diving, on the other hand, seems completely unenforceable to me.

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37 minutes ago, Nea Bafra said:

@Dutch Eagle whose keeper is that? Because if that is the Olympiakos keeper, then shhhhhh or they'll get another 3 points :grin:

Yes, he's an Olympiakos player. Btw, the only sympathetic person they have in their team. 

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Once again the Undersecretary of Sports decided to suspend the season in order to clean up football in Greece. What a joke. It will re-start in couple weeks and everything will be the same as usual.

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Piraeus prosecutor Eirini Tziva has charged Olympiakos and Nottingham Forrest owner Evaggelos Marinakis and three additional people with possession, distribution, and financing of a criminal organization concerning the Noor One drug smuggling case. Noor One  is the ship that was intercepted by Greek police and which carries 2.3 tons of heroin. Since that interception 8 witnesses that were held mysteriously died while being held in prison. As part of the indictment, Marinakis is barred from leaving the country, but reports are that he is presently in England.

This news broke about 3 hours ago, and has yet to be reported by the mainstream media in Greece. That is the same media that went into frenzy when Savvidis stepped on the field during the AEK game. 

 

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Yet he is in England? Shouldn't have he been present for such a charge?? What will come of this?

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4 hours ago, Alphonse said:

Yet he is in England? Shouldn't have he been present for such a charge?? What will come of this?

Since when do you need to be present anywhere to be charged? You can even be convicted in absentia. 

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On 3/23/2018 at 1:42 PM, Blackhawk said:

Piraeus prosecutor Eirini Tziva has charged Olympiakos and Nottingham Forrest owner Evaggelos Marinakis and three additional people with possession, distribution, and financing of a criminal organization concerning the Noor One drug smuggling case. Noor One  is the ship that was intercepted by Greek police and which carries 2.3 tons of heroin. Since that interception 8 witnesses that were held mysteriously died while being held in prison. As part of the indictment, Marinakis is barred from leaving the country, but reports are that he is presently in England.

This news broke about 3 hours ago, and has yet to be reported by the mainstream media in Greece. That is the same media that went into frenzy when Savvidis stepped on the field during the AEK game. 

 

Ψευδή και αναληθή. Για όλα φταίει το κατεστημένο της Θεσσαλονίκης και ο φιλοξενούμενος στην Ελλαδάρα μας που θέλει να διαλύσει το ποδόσφαιρό που με τόσο κόπο χτίσαμε. Ντροπή και αίσχος στους δήθεν Έλληνες που αναπαράγουν τέτοια δημοσιεύματα. Ζήτω ο Ολυμπιακός, ζήτω ο Μαρινάκης, ζήτω το Έθνος!

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The Marinakis and the 3 tons of heroin case will drag on for years and in the end the charges will be dropped. This case involves people at high level including politicians and media owners. With all these scandals in Greece in the past have you ever seen any of those people go to jail?  

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Looks like Superleague will resume this weekend. What remains is 5 rounds of football to decide who will win the "paper title" this season.

In other news there was a vote at Superleague to change the rules concerning teams that do not get a license for next season. As it currently stands the team that does not get a license is relegated to Football League. The vote today tried to change the rule in the middle of the season to allow the teams to avoid relegation. This was broaught up before the league by AEK and was supposedly a move to save Panathinaikos from being relegated. In order for the measure to pass it had to pass by a 3/4 margin. The vote was 7:6 in favor of changing the rule and did not pass.

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1 hour ago, Blackhawk said:

Looks like Superleague will resume this weekend. What remains is 5 rounds of football to decide who will win the "paper title" this season.

In other news there was a vote at Superleague to change the rules concerning teams that do not get a license for next season. As it currently stands the team that does not get a license is relegated to Football League. The vote today tried to change the rule in the middle of the season to allow the teams to avoid relegation. This was brought up before the league by AEK and was supposedly a move to save Panathinaikos from being relegated. In order for the measure to pass it had to pass by a 3/4 margin. The vote was 7:6 in favor of changing the rule and did not pass.

I feel for AEK fans when they got screwed by this in 2006-07. Greek Championships should never be determined on paper. No wonder fans from all of Greece not Olympiakos fans are chanting "Thryle Gera Parta Sta Xartia". 

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2 hours ago, Blackhawk said:

Looks like Superleague will resume this weekend. What remains is 5 rounds of football to decide who will win the "paper title" this season.

In other news there was a vote at Superleague to change the rules concerning teams that do not get a license for next season. As it currently stands the team that does not get a license is relegated to Football League. The vote today tried to change the rule in the middle of the season to allow the teams to avoid relegation. This was broaught up before the league by AEK and was supposedly a move to save Panathinaikos from being relegated. In order for the measure to pass it had to pass by a 3/4 margin. The vote was 7:6 in favor of changing the rule and did not pass.

AEK and Olympiakos voted for a change,  PAOK no.  I guess PAOK is anti Athens.  That being said this had to do with T.V. revenues....and the smaller clubs will suffer if PAO is relegated.   Looks like PAOK wants to go at it with Athens....not a smart move.

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JVC,

PAOK voted no as we do want the same rules to be applied for all clubs. Iraklis had the same fate. Why shouldn’t Panathinaikos or any other club?

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By the way:

Παραμένει το -3 στον Ολυμπιακό για τα επεισόδια στο ντέρμπι με την ΑΕΚ.

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