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Can't even argue with that @La Mendel guy. The team you play at does not describe the talent you carry. Sure, in better leagues and especially in better teams, much better work is done. The training is more stable and the players are far more diciplined when playing for a good team. But no, even at 23 years old you are considered young for me. Apart from Xanthi where (as someone previously said, you can't judge a player when the whole team is playing rubbish), he plays for AEK and he is one of the main reasons that team got promoted in Super league.

I am a big fan of Fortounis, Since he was playing for Kaiserlauntern but, Id like to ask you, what's the difference of a player in B League, with a player of Olympiakos, when these teams playing against each other seem equal? Im sure AEK had many players noone chose but they were like "we dont need a better one at the moment(GK for example)" we ll spend money when we promote. And as an Olympiakos , it really made me happy how good the players of AEK played. We had to win from a controversary goal (I don't care who won, thing is we saw nice football in 87 minutes from 2 greek teams). 

So my conclusion, what better does Fortounis have that Mandalos has not? Fortounis got it with the passes and the

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:lol: :lol: :lol:

You need to re-watch his last two cameos vs Hungary and Costa Rica.

 

He actually was OK against CR. Hungary showed how much his level dropped after moving to india/atromitos. 

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So we continue to 'produce' CD.....  Oikonomou and now Tzanetopoulos join the long list..

 

Sokratis,K.Pap. Manolas,Siovas,Moras.....

 

the midfield we can rattle off 10 + names...but still can't get a combination that is functional....(Samaris,Taxi,Kone, Mandalos, Pelkas, Fortounis, Bouchalakis, Petsos, Ninis,Lazaros)

 

However regarding strikers we are very bare.....

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It is impressive to think that Tziolis has now played over 50 games for the NT - level with Dellas. One more game and he equals Demis Nikolaidis caps. Tziolis is in Greek legend cap zone.

 

Just think of what we could have learnt giving over half his caps to other players.

 

Players like Kapsis didn't reach 40 caps and Stoltidis only managed 6 caps.

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Tziolis was okay at one point. I didn't mind him at euro 2012 actually.

 

he is in form too at the moment so I wasn't terribly annoyed at his selection.  they really should have put fortounis in there though

 

I digress,

pelkas, diamantakos, bouchalakis have great potential

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Diamantakos at 22 is playing in the German second division...and not scoring......

 

Bouchalakis has the type of playing style we need in the position we are most hurting..pity he got injured at the wrong time....Petsos is also one that needs to be looked at...

 

so in the 23 and under age group we have k.pap, oikonomou, Tzanetopoulos, fortounis, pelkas, diamantakos, kapino, kitsiou, fountas, giannotas, lagos, ioannidis,kourbelis, mavrias, karelis,   any others of possible note?

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........................................................Karnezis

Bakakis............................Sokratis...................Manolas............................Torosidis

........................................Samaris...................Tachtsidis/Maniatis

Platellas...........................,......Mantalos/Fortounis..................................?

......................................................Mitroglou

 

Subs: Kapino, K.Paps, Tzanetoppoulos, Stafylidis, Kone, Pelkas, Bouchalakis,  Aravidis, Giannotas, Klaus 

 

I think this is a decent side for the near future. The wall at CB, Bakakis is a very good RB and would have been a regular had it not been for injury, Torosidis has played at LB for previous clubs, we have nobody better in that experience, his experience helps.

 

Midfield is probably our worst position in terms of quality, I know a lot of people have been raving about Samaris while at Benfica but for the NT he has not been as productive, same as the rest of the team however. Still tho I feel he should start and hopefully eventually carry his club form into national team.

Tachtsidis and Maniatis I have not seen play a lot recently, I know Maniatis is out injured but we need experience in there, I cant think of any other CM's that could start ahead of these 2 guys.

 

Platellas I feel is a very crucial player for the NT. Greece does not have many players available to them that have the ability to take on players, we are a very slow team, Platellas gives us that spark on the wings.

ACM is oozing quality, however only one of the 2 can play, 2 very very good players. 

Left wing all I can think of is Gianniotas, however he will have to either break into the Olmpiakos team or find a new club where he will be a starting regular. So much potential. Im not to sure on the Pelkas kid, can he play on the wings or just through the middle?

 

Up front we can only play Mitroglou, he has been on good form at Benfica, and is hitting his prime, has to start. Alternatives are Aravidis and Klaus.

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Despite the Holebas throwing shirt incident (I didn't see)

from the highlights I've seen he actually has been our best players this campaign (which isn't saying much lol)

 

feftatzidis threw us under the bus by downgrading to saudi arabia. he's the best winger we have by a big margin.

Edited by georgelaz

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The wall? I don't see any of our CBs constituting a wall. As the other DM, the jury's out on Tachtsidis for me, since it's been ages since I've seen him actually out there. As much as I loathe Maniatis, it might be worth putting him back in there.

 

Pelkas can play on the wing, better in the middle.

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i'm wattching Italy play Azerbaijan right now. Italy have 3 fetfa sized players on the pitch

 

they are not playing very well but they know HOW to win

 

the azeri's would beat us in the state we are in

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Let me ask you guys something....In my opinion to make a nationa team , you should be tearing it up at club level, be on a top team with CL experience, or at least Europa, how many of those players do we actually have? Lets look at Karelis and Mantalos, do they dominate the supa league? Are they playing in Europe? I watched Montalos play last week against Atromitos, was he tearing it up? Remember this is the supa league now.

As much as I hate Maniatis he gets the job done, he has CL experience and was a key player for the top team in Greece....When we talk future players from the Supa league, how many Greek players are dominating this garbage league?

If you can't dominate here, in my books you're not at the international level!

Edited by jvc

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^ JVC I agree but not every team that qualifies for major tournaments have guys tearing it up. We don't need guys to tear it up although it would be nice, we need guys to play as a team backed by a solid system. In theory having guys tearing up is ideal but it's not the only way. You can have guys that are good players that play for quality teams that just do there job without "tearing it up" we all would love to have that one superstar that can carry the team but in reality that's not going to happen with us so our only answer is to have players that are skilled enough to to play in a solid system behind a solid coach.

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^^My point is if we go back to 2002 when our legendary team was being formed....I could select at least 5 players from AEK, OLY, PAOK and PAO, that were at a different level when compared to this crop, and lets not forget the players from abroad. At the end of the day we don't have

the same quality of players, nor the experience playing in big matches, league and Europe.....Our league has become very weak, and if you go back even Aris had some pretty descent European runs, and good quality players....The SL is where it all begins, and when you look at PAOs, AEKs, and PAOKs European teams of that era, you simply cannot compare to today's teams....All we have is Olympiakos....The current PAOK and Asteras teams in Europe are a joke when we compare the teams of the past....PAOs European representation from the past was far superior to the current Asteras Tripoli and PAOK....This proves how far we have sunk....PAO can't even make Europa, and AEK doesn't even represent.

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^^My point is if we go back to 2002 when our legendary team was being formed....I could select at least 5 players from AEK, OLY, PAOK and PAO, that were at a different level when compared to this crop, and lets not forget the players from abroad. At the end of the day we don't have

the same quality of players, nor the experience playing in big matches, league and Europe.....Our league has become very weak, and if you go back even Aris had some pretty descent European runs, and good quality players....The SL is where it all begins, and when you look at PAOs, AEKs, and PAOKs European teams of that era, you simply cannot compare to today's teams....All we have is Olympiakos....The current PAOK and Asteras teams in Europe are a joke when we compare the teams of the past....PAOs European representation from the past was far superior to the current Asteras Tripoli and PAOK....This proves how far we have sunk....PAO can't even make Europa, and AEK doesn't even represent.

 

 

you make a 'general' point....

 

however.....factually you are off the mark in the sense that  PAOK and Aris were terrible domestically and in Europe 2002-2004

 

PAOK were woeful in Europe and so to Aris..In fact Aris got relegated in 2002...

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Nick would that mean Fortounis is perhaps DM, or do you mean a look into the future at our front 5- including wingers fille?

Edited by ausgreek

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Red sheriff between the years 2002 and 2014....Are you telling me Aris didn't have successful European campaigns? Sheriff PAO and AEK, and the combination of Olympiakos had solid teams....Aris and PAOK were 100 times better than Asteras and Atromitos....In my opinion the top 7 between those eras, much stronger and the SL showed it in coefficient points.

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AEK was definitely great. Beating Milan in Champions League brings back memories.

 

Aris was a good team with Koke.

 

Panathinaikos was a regular in the group stage of CL.

 

Paok IMO is better today than it was the past 10 years because of Ivan Savvidis. 

 

Olympiakos is probably better today than it was 10 years ago as well. They could never win an away match in Europe now they're beating out Arsenal, Juventus, Athletico Madrid.

 

Oly, Paok = Better Today

 

Pao, Aris, AEK = Worse Today

Edited by georgelaz

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I really don't understand why only the Olympiakos supporters keep saying the league is going good....Maybe they have delusions of grandeur.

Edited by jvc

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Red sheriff between the years 2002 and 2014....Are you telling me Aris didn't have successful European campaigns? Sheriff PAO and AEK, and the combination of Olympiakos had solid teams....Aris and PAOK were 100 times better than Asteras and Atromitos....In my opinion the top 7 between those eras, much stronger and the SL showed it in coefficient points.

 

 

Aris got relegated twice in that period....  They had two good Euro runs..... one in 2007(did not make it out of their group though) and one in 2009/10...in the earlier part of this cycle they were abysmal.....and so to PAOK...

 

I am focusing on the 2000-2004 period because that was the lead up to Euro 2004.....I assume you're argument is strong domestic clubs lead to euro 2004...PAO were strong..AEK had good players but were poorly run..

PAOK/AEK are much stronger clubs today..

 

On the field PAOK 2009-2015 is stronger than they were 1999-2007/

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I agree...

 

He is slow and not a great finisher....lacks strikers instinct....

 

not at the same level as Mitro and Klaus at GSL level...

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It's a typical nothing story from know-nothing hacks.

OK he is currently equal leading scorer in the league (with Mantzios and Fortounis) but he hasn't played against the better teams nor scored in Europe yet.

If Giannou scores 20 this season then he'll be a Greece international by the time WC qualifiers come around. I don't see it though. He'll be 26 in January so time is running out for him. Australia can have him. They pick up Greece's scraps anyway.

Ikonomidis, Bouzanis, Mells, Armenakas to name a few kids who would never make it in Greece.

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Armenakas I think is still too early to say. The others however I agree. Ikonomidis has played for Australia despite never playing a senior game for Lazio but looks like a talent

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Ikonomidis and Panos are kids rising through, how can they be classed as scraps? Our beloved Hellas lost twice to Faroe Islands, not Socceroos. C'mon. Euro snobbery when there is nothing to be snobbish about.

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