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He has 4 goals all year and is a striker, he's played less than 900 minutes this year, what makes you think he's so good

 

Meaning he should be starting more and that he can be reliable for the Ethniki. If he was bad he would be loaned out but he isnt.

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Meaning he should be starting more and that he can be reliable for the Ethniki. If he was bad he would be loaned out but he isnt.

But he is bad, he's the 4th string striker behind Mitroglou Benitez and Jara. Mitroglou and Jara aren't that good at all, Benitez I havent seen so I can't comment but if he's behind two shitty players he's not that good, overhyped by the media again.

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But he is bad, he's the 4th string striker behind Mitroglou Benitez and Jara. Mitroglou and Jara aren't that good at all, Benitez I havent seen so I can't comment but if he's behind two shitty players he's not that good, overhyped by the media again.

 

He is not bad, yes he is behind those strikers but every opportunity he has been given he has scored and to me hes a very talented youngster and he should be given more opportunities as this will improve him more as a player. i cant think of any other young striker in Greece that is as good at a level as he is. Mitroglou is out of form but he is the 2nd highest goal scorer in the league. And Peirira prefers to play jara instead of benitez but they played in the same team yesterday and did alright. Though i will still play Diamantakos because he has something to offer.

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Welcome to the forums La Mendel. 

 

I noticed you included maniatis in your previous lineup and not Mantalos.

 

What do you dislike about Mantalos?

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Mantalos is an average footballer. If he would be top talent he wouldnt play in the 2nd division (even if for AEK) at 23, he would be somewhere abroad or would play for Olympiakos. I think he could be the symbol of the whole Ranieri era (worst production and results, inexplicable line-ups - Mantalos, Athanasiadis, Mavrias -, immature and/or crap players in the squad - Diamantakos, Skondras, Mantalos, Bakakis, Dinas, Klonaridis, Kolovos, Mavrias etc. etc.) We have already players of this type - Fortounis, Fetfatzidis, first of all. Hope he will never be capped again under Markari?n.

Petsos plays regularly for Rapid Wien this year, they are second now. He was called up once by Santos, but since then if I remember correctly he was never in the squad, perhaps because Austrian Bundesliga isnt so strong. I can fancy him as a backup defensive midfielder, he would be usable (we havent too much outstanding midfielders, I think he isnt worse than most of them, except Maniatis, Kone, Samaris and perhaps Tachtsidis).

Giannoulis was called up by Santos too, but then he was inexperienced, now he has more experience, IMO he could be an option for left-back too (I consider him - or Petsos for that matter - rather as a player who should perhaps called up, tested etc., not as a standard member of the team), because we arent so good with fullbacks now, Holebas isnt exactly world-class, he was at times a nightmare before 2014 World Cup (and after), the others who are available (Tzavellas, Spyropoulos, Karabelas, Stafylidis) are not outstanding players, most of them had problems this year (Spyropoulos was even sacked from PAOK a little while ago).

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OK, Giannoulis doesnt perform this year so well than last season, perhaps he shouldnt be capped right now. Petsos is another matter I think, if he is good enough for Rapid Wien he could easily play for a lesser German Bundesliga club as Hoffenheim of Freiburg too (perhaps then he would be included in the Greek squad).

Maniatis is one of our best midfielders, he does much of the dirty work and was (as I remember) almost always solid.

I thought Katidis a huge loss when he got that lifelong ban, but since then he practically had no success neither abroad nor while playing for Greek teams.

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@Le Mendel - Have you watched Mantalos play? Or are you just judging him because he played in the Greek 2nd division?

 

It just seems by your critical analysis that you havent really seen him play and dont seem to like him because Ranieri gave him a chance.

 

23 games, 10 goals, 15 assists is a great record 2nd division or not.

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I maintain my earlier statement that he shouldnt be included in the squad now even if he were healthy. He has no experience at this level (national team). I saw what he is capable for against Romania and the Faroe Islands for example. It is possible that he could be later a useful option in the national team, but nothing guarantees it, he is immature right now. (Same goes for Kolovos, Mavrias, Athanasiadis, Diamantakos, Dinas etc. etc.)  Last season he had only 6 goals and 2 assists for Skoda Xanthi, probably he wouldnt better now if he would play for a top flight club (the second division is considerably bad, even in England or Spain, let alone in Greece - no offense intended).

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How exactly is he meant to gain experience at national level if you don't want him included  :huh:

 

By your logic we should be starting Katsouranis.

 

It doesnt matter what his form was like last season its what its like this season. 2nd division or not he deserves a chance. You cant assess him on 3 games where the whole team played bad.

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A dozen of Champions League/Europa League games (that is, playing for Olympiakos/PAOK/Panathinaikos), 2-3 season in the strongest leagues in Europe (Germany, England etc.) will give you some experience on the highest level, it doesnt have to be the Ethniki. The head coaches probably thought similarly - some players were capped after they were successful in a league stronger than the Super League.

I think Katsouranis should be used as a sub like Karagounis after Euro 2012, mainly because of his age. His experience in this level (six major tournaments, Champions League games for AEK, Panathinaikos etc. etc.) is a strong asset.

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It is not what you have done in the past, it is what you can currently give. Katsouranis has proved time and time again, he slows the team and makes mistakes his experience has not cured.

 

The reason the Greek NT has been unwatchable for years is because lack of competition.  Players like Katsouranis, Lazaros and Maniatis are very limited players and their limitations are not hidden when Greece play, they are highlighted.

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I agree with Reaper's post. Everything aside from Lazaros being lumped in with Katsu and Maniatis.

Lazaros is a potential match winner. The other 2 will lose you matches.

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How exactly is he meant to gain experience at national level if you don't want him included :huh:

By your logic we should be starting Katsouranis.

It doesnt matter what his form was like last season its what its like this season. 2nd division or not he deserves a chance. You cant assess him on 3 games where the whole team played bad.

He play what like 10-15 minutes against Faroe Islands?

How can he possibly make a difference in that match when the entire team played like s%$#! and were walking around?

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Pretty much, came in on minute 78'.

 

Apparently that's enough time to judge a player.............

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There's this young kid Panos Armenakas running around for an Italian club I believe. He's been touted potentially as pele, maradona, ronaldo, ibrahimovic and maniatis all rolled into one. Is he eligible for Greece ? Hot talent at 16. 

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I believe he chose Australia last summer

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Panos has been discussed before. He accepted a Greece under-16 call up previous and played 3 times I think. He has recently succumbed to pressure from know-nothing types like old silver bollocks Les Murray from SBS to declare himself for Australia.

The kid's only 16. He has plenty of time before we see his worth.

Interesting that he has a Wikipedia entry and there's no mention of his time with the junior Greece team. Also he's a colleague of Karnezis and Kone. He's tweeted pics of himself with Kone so they could swing him to choose Greece again. Either way it's way too premature to worry about.

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I dont know but i think Tzantopoulos is the future of the national team seeing him play he shows that he has potential. Also Kolovos. Im pissed off of the fact that Tatos and Ninis havent been living up to the expectation of what they should be by now but im glad that we have a few youngster coming through like Donis, Kolovos, Oikonomou and Goutas also i dont know where Triantafyllopoulos will be heading with these kind of perfromances lately.

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