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I think he is testing the best cohesiveness for the team.  He knows Socrates and Manolas play well, why not see who else can make the cut?

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19 hours ago, J1078 said:

It’s only temporary as he called the veterans and told them he’s juts leaving them out to test new blood but they will be back.

I knew it was too good to be true. Wasted my breath on giving him credit for a ballsy move.

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I kind of wish those players would be dropped permanently. We have to bring in the new generation. We have nothing to lose now we should use these next 4 matches to see which players are good enough for the team. No point in having Manolas, Sokratis and the others anymore. We need start giving these younger guys experience from now up all the way through nations league and the next qualifying campaign. A good amount of games where Galanopoulos and Limnios could potentially reach 10–15 caps by the next qualifying campaign. They should’ve had 10 by now. 

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Ethniki vs Italians (I love me who do you love?), trick question..where is the team posted..its in 10 days!

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Manolas really isn’t that old .. he’s like 28, thats still prime for a CB. I’ll admit over 30 is old but Manolas can definitely be of use. We are blessed with a lot of high rated cbs but they’re all super injury prone ex: kpap, retsos, mavropanos. I’m ok keeping ATLEAST Manolas 

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29 minutes ago, Bardouuu said:

Manolas really isn’t that old .. he’s like 28, thats still prime for a CB. I’ll admit over 30 is old but Manolas can definitely be of use. We are blessed with a lot of high rated cbs but they’re all super injury prone ex: kpap, retsos, mavropanos. I’m ok keeping ATLEAST Manolas 

Looks as though Triantafylllopoulos and Hatzidiakos perform, along with a future fit Retsos, Manolas will rank around 4-5 in the pecking order. Even if he played for PSV, he plays like a busted for Ethniki.

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I predict the squad will come out either tomorrow or the next day. In regards to Manolas, he should still be involved because of his pace. But I still rather give youth a chance. In my opinion Risvanis or Nikolaou would be a good replacement for Manolas. Hatzidiakos and Mavropanos can battle it out for Sokratis position. 

I would rather use Retsos elsewhere either as a RB or CDM. He would be wasted as a CB. We have many options there. Also I hope Vasiliadis has a Greek passport because all I hear is how good he is. We need better CMs and he might be it. Pavlidis and Koulouris are our future and are both in great form. Would like to see Lamprou and Donis on the wings with Fetfatzidis as the 10. That would be interesting. 

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                          Ethnics:

                           4 2 3 1 - what else..

                            Vlaho

  Retsos    Trianta    Hatzidiakos    Tsimikas

             Kourbelis         Bouchalakis

   Fetfa            Mantalos (c)?         Masouras (scored previously)

                         Pavlidis

 

Koulouris . Donis . Vrousai . Bouzoukis .

Pelkas .  Siopis .  Galanopoulos

Risvanis .  Natsos .  Giannoulis

Barkas   Pascha

Heard Bakasetas, Sierhuis and Vellios are all being seriously considered

 

  

 

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12 hours ago, Bardouuu said:

Manolas really isn’t that old .. he’s like 28, thats still prime for a CB. I’ll admit over 30 is old but Manolas can definitely be of use. We are blessed with a lot of high rated cbs but they’re all super injury prone ex: kpap, retsos, mavropanos. I’m ok keeping ATLEAST Manolas 

That's right he can still help us on the pitch if he just focuses on his game, his attitude just needs work. I am all for trying the young guys but we need to get results in these remaining qualifiers to start slowly moving up the FIFA rankings. 

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Squad announced

Μπάρκας, Βλαχοδήμος, Διούδης, Μπακάκης, Γιαννούλης, Σιόβας, Τσιμίκας, Σταφυλίδης, Χατζηδιάκος, Λαμπρόπουλος, Σιωπής, Κουρμπέλης, Ζέκα, Μπουχάλακης, Βρουσάι, Γαλανόπουλος, Μάνταλος, Κουλούρης, Μπακασέτας, Παυλίδης, Δώνης, Λημνιός, Φετφατζίδης, Μασούρας, Ρέτσος

https://www.sport24.gr/football/ellada/ethniki_elladas/oristiko-xwris-manwla-swkrath-kai-samarh-h-ethnikh.5610395.html

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Retsos!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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6 hours ago, kbxk508 said:

Squad announced

Μπάρκας, Βλαχοδήμος, Διούδης, Μπακάκης, Γιαννούλης, Σιόβας, Τσιμίκας, Σταφυλίδης, Χατζηδιάκος, Λαμπρόπουλος, Σιωπής, Κουρμπέλης, Ζέκα, Μπουχάλακης, Βρουσάι, Γαλανόπουλος, Μάνταλος, Κουλούρης, Μπακασέτας, Παυλίδης, Δώνης, Λημνιός, Φετφατζίδης, Μασούρας, Ρέτσος

https://www.sport24.gr/football/ellada/ethniki_elladas/oristiko-xwris-manwla-swkrath-kai-samarh-h-ethnikh.5610395.html

Bakasetas really? Argg.. 

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IMO the coach is doing the right thing as he has no other option, why is he going to keep doing what every other coach has done in the last few years and think he will get different results.. he’s trying to see what he has in the younger players and how he can rebuild this team and implement a new style and a positive attitude.. This is the only way he can truly know what he has. There seems to be such a negative feeling around the current core of  players and that is showing in there game play on and off the field. As good as Manolas and Socrates are If  they’re bringing  negative vibes to the NT then they need to be bounced ASAP.. I also think as long as the NT plays in OAKA results will be hard to come by as they need a complete fresh start and that stadium is not a warm place for the NT to play in. What ever happened to playing in Crete? I’m curious to see who starts in these next two games... 

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The call ups as pretty much as expected with what’s been going round.

I have really mixed feelings about Manolas & Sokratis not in there but I just keep thinking, what where they like in the dressing room... I won’t lie, it does scare me that we play Italy without these two. Without knowing how much damage (or no damage) they do to the squad, I don’t think we are upgrading our defence. what will matter is our midfield which by far and away the real issue ON the field.

If we have Bouchalakis & Zeca not get the ball rolling forward to a Mantalos or wingers we will continue to struggle but to @J1078 point... who will start... I really hope Mantalos starts as CAM.

Not sure I posted it here, but I also think it’s time we start to play two forwards up front but maybe more so for Bosnia game.

In terms of critic... Stafylidis & Bakasetas are wasted picks imo. We don’t neee 3 LB’s and Koutris is much better than Staf. Bakasetas is a kreas at this level 

Great to see Galanopoulos in and I hope Limnios can replay how he did vs AEK. Donis must start vs Italy.

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No doubt it could get ugly against the Italians. I mean they basically stopped playing after going 3 up in Athens and still could have had 4-5 goals. Without Sokratis and Manolas you feel it could get really bad but who knows. 

If the reports are correct and Van't Schip intends on calling them up in future, then to me it makes no sense to leave them out for these 2 games. Try the youth v Armenia and Finland next month the last thing we want is two heavy losses against Italy and Bosnia.

If he doesn't intend on calling them up again and is going for a full rebuild then it makes sense them leave out and assess your other options. But if not then it's just illogical. But hey this is the Ethniki wouldn't be the first time common sense doesn't prevail. 

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Hasn’t played as much as Tsimikas and Giannoulis but I believe he is better than both.

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On 10/2/2019 at 9:50 AM, ausgreek said:

                          Ethnics:

                           4 2 3 1 - what else..

                            Vlaho

  Retsos    Trianta    Hatzidiakos    Tsimikas

             Kourbelis         Bouchalakis

   Fetfa            Mantalos (c)?         Masouras (scored previously)

                         Pavlidis

 

Koulouris . Donis . Vrousai . Bouzoukis .

Pelkas .  Siopis .  Galanopoulos

Risvanis .  Natsos .  Giannoulis

Barkas   Pascha

Heard Bakasetas, Sierhuis and Vellios are all being seriously considered

 

  

 

Manolas is too old at 28 but Fetfa at 28 is okay to play with the youth lol. we are underrating the value of experience here. I think coach should keep an experienced defender and an experienced midfielder to help in the flow of the game. without sokratis and manolas we are definitely eating 4+ goals against Italy no doubt about it, not that it matters anyway

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I think he excluded them so he can put his own imprint on the team.  Those two are Greece's best players, command a certain respect and may overshadow anything the coach says.  He may want to gain control of the locker room first.  Not saying that they are a problem, he may want the players to look to him instead of Sokratis if something is happening.

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what do we know about Sebastian Vasiliadis? He's 22, a CM Greek German playing for SC Paderborn in the Bundesliga. Anyone else happen to know more about him?

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think we might get smacked now lol

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Schippy is trying to shake things up and I'm all for that. Let's not forget that Sokratis and Manolas have been the prevailing constant in some of the most embarrassing performances of the ethniki in the post 2004 era. Even though I don't agree with this, I believe Bakasetas was called up as a backup to Mantalos since first choice Fortounis is out....which is acceptable as long as neither are played on the wings (in Bakaseta's case I hope he doesn't play at all).

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I would have preferred to at least have Manolas play especially vs Bosnia in Greece. I don't want Bosnia beating us and definitely do not want them to get second place. I like that he is injecting some youth and give them some experience. Why Bakasetas though? We've been through this with Ange and Skibbe. 

 

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10 hours ago, paokarag4 said:

No doubt it could get ugly against the Italians. I mean they basically stopped playing after going 3 up in Athens and still could have had 4-5 goals. Without Sokratis and Manolas you feel it could get really bad but who knows. 

If the reports are correct and Van't Schip intends on calling them up in future, then to me it makes no sense to leave them out for these 2 games. Try the youth v Armenia and Finland next month the last thing we want is two heavy losses against Italy and Bosnia.

If he doesn't intend on calling them up again and is going for a full rebuild then it makes sense them leave out and assess your other options. But if not then it's just illogical. But hey this is the Ethniki wouldn't be the first time common sense doesn't prevail. 

Definitely worried about the score getting out of hand vs Italy. Bosnia are beatable so Van't Schip should go with at least Manolas especially since he knows Dzeko and his tendencies. 

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