La Mendel Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 More than one or two (see Amorgos' post). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Mendel Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 We'll likelier draw with 3 dms rather than win. On paper our offense is stronger with more attackers, but it isnt certain that we can afford it. However, the number of DMs is less important than the system in which the team plays. With a Defense First & Counterattacks system, a Kone-Tziolis-Samaris midfield would be OK too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pash Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 The match versus Romania will be tougher than the Finland game. We should use the strategy vs Romania on Friday too. You're right. We should also continue using that strategy forever. I'd like to see 3 CBs, 3 DMs, a RB that can't run, and offset that with a LB that thinks he's a striker. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pash Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 If Finland sit deep and play to defend and counter while we attempt the same, we will cancel each other out for a lack of attacking initiative. It'll be like a middle school dance. There will be a gulf in the middle, boys (Finland) on the right, girls (Greece) on the left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Mendel Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 You're right. We should also continue using that strategy forever. I'd like to see 3 CBs, 3 DMs, a RB that can't run, and offset that with a LB that thinks he's a striker. We used the former strategy for years, against minor opponents too, and we were successful. Since the WC every experimenting led to a disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Mendel Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 (edited) Rehhagel changed the formation (and consequently the line-up) on that match (5-3-2). We didnt perform on EVERY occasion well, but we achieved great results under Rehhagel and Santos. Edited September 3, 2015 by La Mendel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Mendel Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Euro 2008 wasnt a success, I must admit. Although, we wouldnt have been out after 2 matches but for the referee. He has stolen the goal of Charisteas (87th minute). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Mendel Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Rehhagel tried a strategy (5-3-2) which was new and unknown to the players. It didnt work (bad game & defeat). Then he returned to the earlier method. If it would have been so easy to beat us (give us the ball) do you think Russia, Romania or Ivory Coast or anybody for that matter wouldnt have tried that strategy? That isnt so simple. If the opponent concentrated on defense it was more difficult for the Ethniki to score (and for them too), thats fairly trivial. Cf. the Switzerland game under Santos. The referee disallowed vs Russia the goal of Charisteas - it wasnt an offside, we wouldnt have been out after 2 matches, and then the best starting XI (no Spyropoulos and the likes) would have started versus Spain B. There were the horrible faults of Nikopolidis (versus Russia and Sweden) they costed us two goals too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Mendel Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Do you think Russia and Co. didnt want to win the matches vs us? They could have easily win but they chose another strategy? Do you see now what rubbish you write? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Mendel Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 "People have caught on" - Some examples? If they caught on already in 2008 and it is so easy why did use NOBODY that strategy against us? Farcical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Mendel Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 there are many ways to win and many ways to lose Do you see what rubbish you write? If you know a secure method with which we can easily beaten, of course youll choose another. Since the Sweden match allegedly everybody knows how to beat us, do you think teams like Israel, Ukraine, Romania, Japan, Ivory Coast, Croatia wouldnt have tried that method against us in (for them too) crucial matches? Farcical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ausgreek Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Would Tachtsidis Ninis and Fortounis as midfield work, and is there another CF out there, AND, any technical players for any position that can be suggested? Is a Fountas type player too inexperienced to persevere with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pash Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Our coaches are terrified of playing with fewer than two DMs, so I doubt we'd see such a setup in the midfield. There are plenty of technical players out there; the issue is getting them on the field. Of course, right now, they'd look even worse, since our next generation has essentially never played together before. Just like our current generation. I just hope that these next matches are treated as serious attempts to try out new things, instead of regressing back to the normal trash we see. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bananas Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 Agree aek66. One DM should be enough. Unless you're playing a power house side or trying to defend a lead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akritis_1944 Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 Both Vydra and Tziolis appear to be thoroughly decent professionals. They don't cause trouble with their teammates or clubs BUT as they can't see for themselves that they are hurting and not helping the next coach needs the @rxidi@ to make the decision himself and cut them loose. Why are we holding on to the last vestiges of the past (that especially includes tactics)? We are probably the only nation on earth to want the corpse of Karagounis and Kats leading us out there. Ridiculous!!!! Pick Taxi, Karelis or Fountas or Fortounis and PLAY them continuously until they're either not good enough or there's someone better (as is the case with Tziolis and Vydra). Forget the players who are there now and are hindering us. Select a coach who's foreign and doesn't care for reputation and the opadika and has a history in man management. A young head kicker who doesn't put up with spoilt brats and calls these c*nts out. The rest will take care of itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ausgreek Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 Makes me wonder how countries succeed that are notorious for cartels and mafias. Teams have success from Columbia, and all other South American nations. Then there's the Azzuri. Maybe we are too precious and need to roll the sleeves up higher, I don't know. Why can't Greece be a consistant powerhouse? Why didn't Tsana put on Fetfa. Things like that are a mystery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ausgreek Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 (edited) Better days ahead Edited September 5, 2015 by ausgreek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J1078 Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 ^ I wish I could be as optimistic as you but I'm sorry I don't see better days ahead at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OFI-mtl Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 Blaming club ties is not the way to go. The guys must look in the mirror and take it upon themselve.they are being weighted down by an amateur coach right now...you hav nothing to lose and you start retreads like Tziolis and Vyntra...no way this stinks EPO..you wanna make a splash because you only 1 chance at a 1st impression..Tsanas is no good period. vs Romamia ...............Kapino................because when was the last big sav Karnezis made! Sokratis...Manolas....KPaps....Holebas....your best players play if they are CB play them!we must go 3 CBs in the future ...........Taxi......Samaris....... Fetfa........Fortounis....Fountas (bleed him) ..............Mitro................ after this game we should never see Tziolis Vyntra...and we should find a manager whose bread and butter is 3-5-2..we have 3 world class CBs and 0ne sat on the bench for Vyntra..bravo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Mendel Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 - your first sentence is incorrect. what scheme do you believe was otto's bread and butter up until late 2006? when you have dellas/kapsis/kats/basinas as CBs, fyssas & seitaridis as FBS/WBs and a trio in the CM of karagounis/zagorakis and either kats/basinas? hmmmm...looks like a 5-3...and then add charisteas & vryzas? maybe a 5-3-2. where you watching football or reading tipa mola back then? Did Katsouranis or Basinas or both of them play a centre back in 2004? So much for your competence. :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Mendel Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 I hope everybody sees (except perhaps aek66 and the likes) that Fetfatzidis, Samaris, Tachtsidis, Karelis, Aravidis, Fountas, Kolovos etc. are s%$#! and for the moment most of them shouldnt called up. Perhaps later they will be able to play a certain role in a defensive match strategy, but even that isnt certain. Even players like Avraam Papadopoulos, Spyropoulos or Patsazoglou were much more useful than they and contributed more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Mendel Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 1. I would say (as for the keepers and defenders, those who was called up now are OK): Midfielders: Maniatis, Tziolis, Kone, Fortounis, Petsos (?), K. Papadopoulos as a DM, Samaris & Tachtsidis (for the moment as a squad player). At a pinch even Makos, just not Klonaridis, Kolovos and the likes. Attackers: Mitroglou, Samaras (only if he has a club), Salpingidis (?, only if he has a club), Fetfatzidis (as a squad player). Christodoulopoulos? Perhaps Karelis? More question marks. 2. At the Euro none of them played as a centre back, Dellas and Kapsis were the centre backs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Mendel Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 Stability I think. And he is among the better midfielders we have. He isnt an excellent DM, at international level max a useful player, but who should we call up as a midfielder, Pogba? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Mendel Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 A very good article: Fernando Santos, we miss you. "Santos' four principles for victory: organization, concentration, passion and trust." There is a total lack of these at the Ethniki now. http://www.sdna.gr/podosfairo/euro/euro-2016/article/111667/fernanto-santos-mas-leipeis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bananas Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 Regardless of the opinions on Santos (and they varied greatly), the way in which he left was a black mark against EPO and our Ethniki. What the hell happened ? Couldn't we even organise a dinner for the guy ? Maybe EPO is broke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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