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Who I play Sunday..and yes I believe there are plent of goals in the Croat backline Mitro missed 2 headers and got one shot fingertipped Sokratis should have dne better with his 2nd header whol net was there for him..WE CAN DO IT

................Anestis (KARNEZIS 7 goals in his last 120minuts Watford Greece)....

...................Retsos.....Sokratis.......Manolas.........

Toro...............Zeca..............Tachtsidis................Lykogiannis

...............................Pelkas......................Fortounis..............

.......................................Mitroglou.............................

 

Anestis is a must start in any sport with a goalie..the team must have full confidence..WE cant ask our players to open it up with the way Karnezis is playing and for some reason a fresh golaie always gets a team to work twice as hard!!

We need goals Stafylidis or Tzavellas offer zero going forward put WolfJohn in he is in form and more the modern back than Tzavellas I love stafylidis but he ha ZERO confidence. He showed it last game on the 1st goal he got the ball on a switch of play and was 1v1 with there RB rather than take him on and creata chance or get fouled he bottled it back to Tzziolis to the back breaking goal Donis Giannotas Lazaros Lyko would have bombed forward, Pelkas Fortounis give us 2 #10 style players who can create. If Skibbe doesnt make major changes Sunday and goes wit the same clowns then we know EPO call some shots.

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Donis - Karelis - Lamprou

 

Siopis - Galanopoulos  - Kourbelis

 

Lykogiannis - Retsos - Risvanis - Bakakis

 

Gianniotis

 

Id like to see a friendly with new faces. To know whom we can trust and whom we can not. It's a defensive 4-3-3 with 3 holding mids and the wingers playing a bit down to start the offence.

 

 

 

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l'd like to see Charisis in your lineup with Androutsos, Manthatis and Anestis in that squad.

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I won't rehash most of the names here, and I don't have much input on players who don't have connections to the only team I care about (PAOK). But as far as those are concerned:

Charisis will, in a few years, be an obvious call up. Kid has a ton of talent but was not trusted by his last two coaches at PAOK (for whatever reason) - he's been getting plenty of time at his current club, however, and I expect them to activate their buy out option (1.5mm) next summer.

Kitsiou is playing there as well, but not quite as consistently as Charisis. As Torosidis declines, he'll have a chance to make his case. At this point I don't think he's good enough; he might end up a backup option at some point. Decent as a winger as well. Needs to work on his crosses.

Tzavellas - rapidly declining, creates a rotten atmosphere in the locker room, now is our chance to make a clean break with him let Stafylidis battle it out with whoever else can play in that position.

Limnios, Lamprou - good players, needs to be seen if they're able to continue at this level for a whole season. Their numbers aren't amazing but I like them both. Wouldn't be surprised to see them get their first call ups in the next two years.

Pelkas - versatile guy, plays with real balls. Not the kind of ACM who will conduct the offense like a symphony (his passing is just not good enough). However, to counter that, he is very direct - might end up more like a SS than an ACM (and is probably why he's playing as a winger these days).

Mistakidis - I believe he is better than Pelkas, will shortly be returning from a torn MCL. If all goes well, he'll make a solid case for inclusion in future teams. Very good as a second striker, usually plays as RW, is comfortable as LW.

Tziolis - hasn't been able to play at this level for at least four years. Kick him to the curb. Seems like a nice guy, but that doesn't count for much when he can't make a pass, press an opponent, or shoot.

 

Sokratis/Kpaps/Manolas - good competition between the three of them, no concerns here. As for Chatziisaias, I liked the guy but even if he improves massively, there will be a very narrow window between Sokratis/Kpaps declining and the next generation of CBs taking their place. Very unlikely that he'll ever get a cap, in my opinion. Will probably end up like Katsikas, as a journeyman in second-rate leagues who settles down in Ukraine/Romania.

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That is a good analysis pash. I don't see much of Charisis. I only saw him in highlights last season. Can anyone tell me why he has been playing on the wing? when clearly he hasn't got enough speed. 

Kitsiou looked decent in the last match he played against Hungary. That was 2015. Someone has to tell me if he has improved or declined since then. 

Pelkas is a player I have high hopes for. Technically very good, just like Ninis and Fetfatzidis but pash is probably right saying his passes need work. I also think his shooting/finishing need work. 

The likes of Mystakidis, Limnios, Lamprou and Manthatis have talent and can play on the wings. They need more game time to improve and progress. 

The thing is I hate it how we play players that turn 25-26 instead of playing them from 21-22. Old players need to leave ed and never come back. Torosidis and Karnezis are exceptions. I don't know if players like Bouchalakis and Lykogiannis are good enough at international level. It's worth trying to in friendlies. Pelkas looks like he is. Gianniotas aswell. 

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the keeper of pao should at least be in the squad . The real bad thing is that the youngsters don't get time on the park for their club teams in Greece I mean the bigger clubs

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Toro         Manolas      soks      Retsos 

                        Zeca       tach

Laz                                                staf 

                             Fortou

                               Mitro

 

This line up would have made for easy adjustments in either direction off/def as well. Staf could drop back into lb and Retsos dm or off for a true winger. Tach could come off for pelkas and let Zeca and the cbs handle the back. Man, even with his stupid call ups, we still had options and potential. So aggravating. 

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Greeece will never do this but they need to limit the number of foreign players that play in Greece. Clubs should hire Greek coaches who want to develop Greek players.  

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57 minutes ago, nick said:

Greeece will never do this but they need to limit the number of foreign players that play in Greece. Clubs should hire Greek coaches who want to develop Greek players.  

I agree. I think Ouzounidis is a coach that wants to develop young Greek players. Just like Chatzigiovannis. He is not there yet it he has some sort of talent that can be taken to the next step. 

I though Vlachodimos the winger was going to be a big player, but look how life turns out. Same can be said for Tatos, Ninis and Fetfatzidis.

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euro 2020 lineup should be

               Mitro

Fetfa  Fortounis   Donis

          Tachtsi Zeca

Staf  Manolas Sokratis Retsos

               Karnezis

 

1. fetfa is still only gunna be 27 and his contract with the arabs will be done and hopefully he can go play in europe

2. fortounis is our best CAM, I don't agree with the flak he's been getting and he's only 24. Mantalos is also quite good in this position if anything slot Fortounis to left were he can play good and Mantalos as CAM cuz mantalos sucks on the wing. Reminds me when people gave up on Mitro... this might be even worse. Let's not forget the kid almost single handedly decimated arsenal a year or two ago.

3. Retsos as RB will be solid and Donis up to will more than make up for his lack of attacking ability. So it's almost like we have 3 atb + a wing back in Staf. Toro will likely want to get 100 caps and if he's still good enough (right now I say he is all for it)

 

good thing for skibbe is he benched tzav for once but Tziolis has gotta go man or at least just reserves.

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I don’t rate fortounis at all.. I would rather see karelis up with mitroglou. Fortounis isn’t skilled enough to float around the field. We really need Samaris to move on and nail down a starting role. That would allow Samaris and Zeca to be the starting cm. We could even have karelis as the LW and move donis to the #10 role. 

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38 minutes ago, georgelaz said:

euro 2020 lineup should be

               Mitro

Fetfa  Fortounis   Donis

          Tachtsi Zeca

Staf  Manolas Sokratis Retsos

               Karnezis

 

1. fetfa is still only gunna be 27 and his contract with the arabs will be done and hopefully he can go play in europe

2. fortounis is our best CAM, I don't agree with the flak he's been getting and he's only 24. Mantalos is also quite good in this position if anything slot Fortounis to left were he can play good and Mantalos as CAM cuz mantalos sucks on the wing. Reminds me when people gave up on Mitro... this might be even worse. Let's not forget the kid almost single handedly decimated arsenal a year or two ago.

3. Retsos as RB will be solid and Donis up to will more than make up for his lack of attacking ability. So it's almost like we have 3 atb + a wing back in Staf. Toro will likely want to get 100 caps and if he's still good enough (right now I say he is all for it)

 

good thing for skibbe is he benched tzav for once but Tziolis has gotta go man or at least just reserves.

Although that's a decent line up. Retsos is not good at fullback. Id rather have two fullbacks that like to attack and pressure the opponents defence. This gives us the attacking edge. I would have 2 strikers upfront. Mitroglou and Karelis/Donis. 

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karelis as ss behind mitro would be cool or him n the left mitro on the right

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If you remember just a small fact, that Skibbe first game in charge he played Holebas and Pelkas on the wings with Mitroglou and Karelis as the 2 strikers. The last time he played with 2 strikers was against Iceland in a friendly. 

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On 11/11/2017 at 3:52 AM, georgelaz said:

our best possible lineup is imo 1 5-1-3-1

                      Mitro

Fetfa/Laz     Fort/Mant  Donis

                        Zeca

Holebas                               Torosidis

      Sokratis Kpaps Manolas

                     Karnezis

 

from that lineup we're missing 4 of the 11. With a nation as top heavy as us you can't afford to be leaving out 35% of the best players.

 

i think we can play balla if we field the RIGHT players. skibbe had a defeatist attitude going into zagreb. remember how our midfield hummed for the first time ever when we fielded pelka/mantalos/kone/fortounis/tachtsi?

you simply can't play ONE man in the midfield. it's doomed to fail by any means. 

i appreciate skibbe's scouting in players and meetings with the greek clubs but he's totally clueless if he keeps calling up the scrubs vellios and diamantakos (bear in mind i have nothing against them, simply shouldn't be nowhere around) as well as tzavellas, tziolis and maniatis while ignoring mpakakis, siovas and cholebas. that's simply inexcusable. 

also i have to say i was not pleased by the way we played in 11 out of 12 games in this campaign, aside of belgium at home. no creativity around, simply defenders all around the pitch to make sure we won't concede!! stafylidis starting as a winger, papadopoulos as a midfielders, maniatis as a right back, mantalos as a winger and many more. i don't remember any goals coming off the actual play, most of them from set pieces basically. 

squad and starting eleven i recommend in the next friendly games; 

karnezis, torosidis, sokratis, papadopoulos, manolas, stafylidis, kourmpelis, zeca, fortounis, donis, mitroglou (3-4-1-2)

bench, kapino, vlachodimos, mpakakis, siovas, lykogiannis, retsos, samaris, tachtsidis, pelkas, karelis, lazaros, mpakasetas

mpakasetas out once mantalos comes backk off injury. no more srcubs around. 

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7 hours ago, Boxou said:

you simply can't play ONE man in the midfield. it's doomed to fail by any means. 

i appreciate skibbe's scouting in players and meetings with the greek clubs but he's totally clueless if he keeps calling up the scrubs vellios and diamantakos (bear in mind i have nothing against them, simply shouldn't be nowhere around) as well as tzavellas, tziolis and maniatis while ignoring mpakakis, siovas and cholebas. that's simply inexcusable. 

also i have to say i was not pleased by the way we played in 11 out of 12 games in this campaign, aside of belgium at home. no creativity around, simply defenders all around the pitch to make sure we won't concede!! stafylidis starting as a winger, papadopoulos as a midfielders, maniatis as a right back, mantalos as a winger and many more. i don't remember any goals coming off the actual play, most of them from set pieces basically. 

squad and starting eleven i recommend in the next friendly games; 

karnezis, torosidis, sokratis, papadopoulos, manolas, stafylidis, kourmpelis, zeca, fortounis, donis, mitroglou (3-4-1-2)

bench, kapino, vlachodimos, mpakakis, siovas, lykogiannis, retsos, samaris, tachtsidis, pelkas, karelis, lazaros, mpakasetas

mpakasetas out once mantalos comes backk off injury. no more srcubs around. 

I have a feeling that Retsos will overtake Papadopoulos in the CB pecking order by the time the NL comes around next year. I don't know how I feel about that, but I really like both players. I think we should play to our strength though and try out 3 CBs in the upcoming friendlies. 

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friendlies? are we ever going to play any friendlies, mr skibbe? these games where you got to test some players that undeservedly are out of the team instead of some scrubs..another factor in which skibbe has made several mistakes..how do you expect us to improve as a team when we play no friendlies to test other alternatives or formations...

skibbe has to go. they say he will stay because vrizas and the players want him to do so. (i explained above why they do want him). if there's a chance he is not staying is because he was not selected by the current group of people that runs epo. new presidency usually select their own coach, it's been happening forever with us. 

im calling it as far as we our absentees are better than those who are in the team we are not achieving anything. he's been awful at selecting players and preparing the team throughout the game. ok take that. you people want fortounis to perform and always bash him when he doesn't. truth is he's not the same players as 1,5 year ago. BUT. him and mitroglou are completely disconnected from the rest of the team. "wingers" are asked to defend more than attack (mantalos!, stafylidis!!, zeca!!!) and secondly how can you expect to have some creativity in your game with tziolis over there? is skibbe blind and doesn't understand it?

go to rewatch all of our games again and tell me with which one you got pleased by our football. against gibraltar both games were ugly by us. against cyprus 2 out of 4 goals against them came off dreadful individual mistakes. against estonia, from set pieces. what's the common thing over there? the fact that we have only a few goals comming by the run of play. and that's up to skibbe. people were complaining that we don't score in the past as well but in fact we were dominating the midfield looking for the best options. nowdays we surrender the midfield with tziolis' choice and our attacking third is able to get hold by some maltese defense the way it's set up. games against croatia are evident. when fortounis has the ball the his only choice is mitroglou. them 2 against 6 or 7 croats.and then you're asking from fortounis to do wonders. 

another fact is you're pissed with mantalos because he doesn't perform. well there's a fact. HE IS NOT A WINGER. i don't know what kind of dream skibbe saw and thinks it's a good choice to play him there. 

in other words;

ΠΑΙΖΟΥΜΕ ΠΡΩΤΟΓΟΝΟ ΠΟΔΟΣΦΑΙΡΟ. 

on the other side skibbe is doing a good job at having meetings with the club's coaches and travelling around greece to watch players. that's the only positive i can see along with putting respect to our name again but i think that's up to the players too, they simply didn't want to ridicule the team and themselves anymore. i'd agree 100% to stay had we played good football and he'd call up the CORRECT corp of players. then you couldn't blame him. but since he doesn't im all in for him not to stay.

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1 hour ago, Makry said:

SOMEONE PLEASE MENTION KOUTRIS

im in for him. that's how our pool of players should be in the back.

sokratis, manolas, papadopoulos, retsos, siovas, oikonomou

stafylidis, lykogiannis, torosidis, koutris, mpakakis.

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http://www.espnfc.us/united-states/story/3269935/us-soccer-exploring-pre-world-cup-matches-with-netherlands-italy?sf170007682=1

LEIRIA, Portugal -- The U.S. Soccer Federation and Soccer United Marketing are looking into the possibility of hosting pre-World Cup matches involving the United States, Italy, Netherlands, Ghana and Chile, sources have confirmed to ESPN FC.

Sources indicated that talks are in the exploratory stage, so it is unclear at the moment if an actual tournament will be held involving the above-mentioned teams or just a series of friendlies.

Each of the teams mentioned failed to qualify for the 2018 World Cup in Russia. Italy's failure to get past Sweden in a two-legged playoff saw them miss out on the World Cup for the first time since 1958.

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57 minutes ago, trotsk13 said:

http://www.espnfc.us/united-states/story/3269935/us-soccer-exploring-pre-world-cup-matches-with-netherlands-italy?sf170007682=1

LEIRIA, Portugal -- The U.S. Soccer Federation and Soccer United Marketing are looking into the possibility of hosting pre-World Cup matches involving the United States, Italy, Netherlands, Ghana and Chile, sources have confirmed to ESPN FC.

Sources indicated that talks are in the exploratory stage, so it is unclear at the moment if an actual tournament will be held involving the above-mentioned teams or just a series of friendlies.

Each of the teams mentioned failed to qualify for the 2018 World Cup in Russia. Italy's failure to get past Sweden in a two-legged playoff saw them miss out on the World Cup for the first time since 1958.

No greece I guess..

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i would hope greece could be part of this. if we could face quality competition in italy, netherlands and chile, we as fans can understand how far we are really off the WC level

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