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Dean97    158

Gianniotas works hard aswell in my opinion. Donis doesn't. Donis just knows where to run and attacking. He doesn't run back much. They should be our wingers. If we need to have Mantalos/Bakasetas in the starting 11 have one of them on the right wing and one of Gianniotas/Donis on the left. Manthatis has potential to be a great winger. I've seen some Olympiakos games and he is a workhorse. He doesn't give up in defence and plays with heart. 

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jason    19

Mantalos cost us  getting 3 points vs Bosnia. Didn't do much, maybe he will return to form for NT but if your having a bad game sub him off. I dont see how he helps defense either... He is a good player when in form which is the key word. 

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Dean97    158

He does do well in defence but missed that chance to give us the three points. Gianniotas would not have missed that. Donis and Mitroglou did well to setup up that chance. 

This would be my team:

              Karnezi

Toro Mano Kyriako Stafy

       Samari/Taxi Zeca

Gianniota Fortouni Bakaseta

                   Mitro/Kareli

We should put Mantalos and Donis on the bench and bring them on when we need them. Against Estonia Sokrati is suspended. Either Samaris or Tachtsidis should start alongside Zeca. Hope Kourbelis shows how good he is to warrant another call up and hopefully start in the future. Siopis should be Maniatis replacement in the future aswell. 

 

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If you guys wanna search for every player that cost us a goal or a point/points in this campaign you re gonna laugh to the players remaining.

Sokratis got baited man to man from Lukaku, thought hed turn left, he turned right. But noone complaining that his mistake cost us a 3 pointer and possibly first place in Belgium. Because he is Sokratis, right?

Mistakes happen. How many mistakes did the Bosnians do in offence? How many missed opportunities they had? You only remember the Mantalos one. But if we take into account their misses vs ours, we d lose somewhat like 4-2 on that match. Be happy we got the one point.

Also laughable is that people saw Donis on the wings once and demand him to be there because he is a natural winger. He is not. He is a striker as well. He did look a lot better than anyone else we ve tried there, that's for sure.

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jason    19

How you compare lukaku goal which was 50-50 to missing an open net? Anyways i hope he just had off game...

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Dean97    158

It was Sokratis fault but look at all the other times he has saved our asses. Without him we would have lost against Belgium and Bosnia. He can't do everything even though I think he can. He is the most important player in this team. 

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Mantalos also secured the 3 pointer to a very threatening cyprus, by making the score 2-0.

I am not comparing anyone with Lukaku. Read what I said. Sokratis got baited to that goal, thinking Lukaku is gonna turn the other way. Watch the video again and again your baby boy Sokratis εχει μεγάλη ευθύνη. If you look the highlights of the Bosnia-Greece game, Sokratis made 2-3 crucial mistakes as well, just wasn't Dzeko's day. If you wanna look to individual mistakes, as I said, we ll only probably be left with players that didn't play with the Ethniki yet, because the mistake factor is key to this sport. Positioning, good passing and transition in the midfield, even a free kick choice that don't go well are all mistakes. They are all professionals. They surely can exchange a couple of passes. They surely can cross and shoot. But the point is doing so on the right time and under the pressure from a strong opponent. Me and you from our Kanape could do much better. But would we?

At the end of a day, a Greek side leaving without conceding in Bosnia is almost perfect. As Bosnians said to their forums. Holding a 0-1 in Belgium and Mantalos scoring that goal could actually mean we were by 90% qualified for the World Cup right now. But it could have been vise versa, and Belgium scoring more than once to us and Bosnia as well. Take the result and be happy as I said. We re no Spain, we are no Bercelona. We just stepped outside a reforming period and we re gonna need time to reach pot 1-2 again, if the aim and the fournies of new Greek players allows it.

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Dean97    158

That's was a good goal by Mantalos against a very average to bad Cyprus team. What I'm saying is you can't miss a chance like he had against Bosnia. It was on a plate for him. These important games are crucial. I am still frustrated and annoyed that he missed. 

Also Sokratis had a few mistakes against Bosnia, but imagine him not being there at all, we would've suffered a 3-0 defeat. I think what he does for for club and country is a bit underrated by some people. Manolas is more prone to mistakes than Sokratis. But they a very good centre backs. So is K.Papdopoulos. 

I am very content with where we are at the moment. But I can't stand seeing better opportunities being lost because of the circumstances I pointed out. We should have beaten Belgium and Bosnia when we had the chance but what do you do, I'm happy so far because we have improved from where we were from 2 years ago and we all have seen massive improvement from the team. 

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ausgreek    206

Holebas's recent interview that I noticed on Agona sport, he claims that he has stopped making himself available purely because of the coach Skibbe. In his view, the coach doe not often select on form, rather on the boys club favourites.

He may have a point, though, there have been many players tried during Skibbe's time. Holebas also said he takes his form very seriously and he didn't become unavailable due to his age.

These issues often come up in sport I have found. He would still be a talented player for the Ethniki, although, Staf has grown into a top player.

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Argy    157
On 6/28/2017 at 10:36 AM, Dean97 said:

Gianniotas works hard aswell in my opinion. Donis doesn't. Donis just knows where to run and attacking. He doesn't run back much. They should be our wingers. If we need to have Mantalos/Bakasetas in the starting 11 have one of them on the right wing and one of Gianniotas/Donis on the left. Manthatis has potential to be a great winger. I've seen some Olympiakos games and he is a workhorse. He doesn't give up in defence and plays with heart. 

Gianniotas just got cut by Olympiacos' new manager. 

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jason    19

I don't agree with that cut.... we lost to PANIONIOS in a friendly so hopefully this is not a sign of things to come as its still early in the season. So far Im not seeing much in this coach... 

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Dean97    158

It's really unfortunate he got cut. He is not a bad player. He can offer something different from the bench. The board probably prefers Manthatis instead.

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Dean97    158

I would like to talk about Greek players. I've just realised why we don't produce player like other countries for example Brazil, Spain, Portugal and so on. Our youth are the problem. They prefer the Greek lifestyle of having a good time rather than working hard and earning your way in the football world. Gifted players like Fetfatzidis and Ninis have not lived up to expectations as we thought.

There was a player called Koutsianikoulis. He was in the same mould as Ninis and Fetfatzidis. A winger/attacking midfielder who could take players on with skill and produce good passes. Another name is Andreas Tatos. Who has excellent technique and vision. Also has not lived up to expectations. The problem is some players standards are not that high as its a shame because if these players did have high standards they would be playing for teams like Manchester United or Barcelona or even Tottenham.

But there are some players like Manolas and Sokratis who want the best out of there careers as much as possible. Passionate players like K.Papadopoulos will stop at nothing until they get where they want to be. Fortounis looks like he is capable of bigger things aswell as Mantalos. Tachtsidis is not giving up. I can't say that for players like Kone or Fetfatzidis. Tachtsidis made a good choice in going to Olympiakos. He's guaranteed more minutes and exposure in Champions League. He also played a lot in Serie A for Cagliari last season.

Siopis looks like he has a good work ethic. I'd like to see how he goes this season for Olympiakos. I just hope players like Retsos, Manthatis, Androutsos, Galanopoulos and Limnios step up their game and start becoming young stars. Gianniotas should not give up. This is the 3rd time he has been cut by Olympiakos. He is a good winger. Kolovos and Karelis look as they are ambitious in Belgium and like to take chances. I hope they continue there form they left from last season.

Pelkas and Bouchalakis I'd like to talk about another day as I believe in these players. Donis looks very promising. I'd like to think that the future of Greek football will look bright but I don't see it, unless some of these youngsters rise up and make a statement. I hope Samaris, Mitroglou and Torosidis have good seasons with Stafylidis improving even more. Karnezis and Kapino look as if they will be the keepers of the Ethniki for at least another 5 years. Barkas looks promising. 

I believe we are safe for now, but I'm a bit worried about what the depth of talent will be be in 5 years or even 3 years. Torosidis is 32 Karnezis is 33 Sokratis and Mitroglou will be 30 next year which is fine. We have no other striker other than Mitroglou. Vellios, Diamantakos don't look good enough take over. It's a bit concerning as we don't have good enough replacements for the players mentioned. Is anyone else concerned?

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ausgreek    206

Donis is a CF and also a winger, Kapino or Barkas are there and there are more keepers that can take over eventually. All these young guys you mentioned have not been given a shot so they haven't failed. I see it as they are good depth for now and things are on the up and up fille.

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ausgreek    206

Your entitled to be Deano, although, with my optimism, I'm also alittle cautious. Players like Manthatis, Androutsos, Limnios, Retsos Galanopoulos, Fountas and Kapino, there is half a team that are really exciting prospects.

There are older guys who are still young like Kourbelis, Pelkas, Kolovos, and Gianniotas and the list goes on. I believe we have depth only to be tapped. Skibbo's coaching team need to identify 1 striker now, and give him a couple of goes. Then another one in 6 months and give him a shot to develop during friendlies, or near the end of certain matches, even if they are qualifiers.

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RED SHERIFF    661

karelis and Donis are our next striking options after Mitro....

They have big seasons coming up...

Vellios and Diamantakos are not up to it..Limnios has hardly played...

When I look at the future , I don''t like to look too far ahead....

try picking our best team with players 26 and under...that gives you an indication as to depth....

 

...................................Kapino....................

 

Retsos..................Manolas..........K.Pap...........Stafyllidis

 

.................................Siopis...............Taxi............................

 

Giannotas............      Fortounis..........................Mandalos.....

.......................................Donis....................................

 

Karelis, Kourbelis, Oikonomou, Pelkas, Lykogiannis, Bakasetas..

 

The point it's not about finding the uncapped 18 yo next star..but having a young enough squad to take on the next Euro qualifiers or next WC qualifiers minus players who are approaching 30...

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Dean97    158

That is a good idea red sheriff. That is probably our best young squad. The thing is the players in the 17-20 age bracket still have time to improve and grow as footballers. I am more concerned with the players who are in the 21-26 age bracket who are not progressing as they should or not involved in the Ethniki. Players like Pelkas, Bouchalakis, Gianniotas, Karelis, Kourbelis, Lykogiannis, Diamantakos and so on should be the players that will carry this team from and now and the next few years.

The first problem is:

- They have not been given enough chances (Kourbelis, Pelkas)

- They have not had enough matches (Bouchalakis)

-They are not good enough with their clubs for whatever reason (Mavrias, Kone, Diamantakos)

- There is no real desire ( Ninis, Fetftatzidis)

- Continuously playing players like Tziolis and Maniatis instead of Siopis and Tachtsidis. Yes Tziolis and Maniatis are need at time for example (Tziolis=Height, Maniatis=High Workrate) But in my opinion Siopis and Tachtsidis are like for like replacements. 

Bakasetas is a player who has been given enough chances. Diamantakos got a chance and didnt grab it. Karelis got chances and has done well, he is now coming back from injury. Vellios who is now 26 has gotten chances and not taken them. 

There are also players in thee 21-26 age group that have not even been called and have the chance to, like Koutris and Bouchalakis. Ive also noticed that all our wingers are in this age group excluding Lazaros.

But there are players who are doing well for themesleves and thats Stafylidis, Manolas, Papadopoulos, Tachtsidis, Fortounis and Mantalos.

Players like Retsos, Manthatis and that have time but can also be in the team if players in the 21-26 age group are not up to it. Now players who are 27 and older are the players who have expirience and are the players who hold the team together. Karnezis, Torosidis, Sokratis, Tzavellas, Samaris, Zeca and Mitroglou. They are the players who are no doubt starters in this team. Tziolis is 32 and Maniatis 31. 

 All im saying is the talent is there but how hard are the players in the 21-26 age group willing to work and take there chances and lead the next generation (17-20). 

 

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RED SHERIFF    661

Each player needs to be looked at individually..

Lykogiannis has had one good season..next season will be a big one for him...

Also he is up against Tzavellas and Staf at left back..

Kourbelis,Vellios, Diamantakos and Pelkas are simply not good enough.

Karelis got injured just when he was about to take the next step...

Giannotas needs to play in a better league regularly to develop or at least for us to see his true capabilities..

Bouchalakis just has not played....

Koutris again is a left back..maybe 5th in line...also needs to play regularly for a big club..

Bakasetas had a poor season at AEK..

 

Mavrias is in same category as Giannotas..(does he even have a club?)

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ausgreek    206

Now with a more settled lineup players like Diamantakos and Vellios should get chances. I don't remember any of them playing more than 2 games. They need 7 games and then to get just an idea. At this level, players need More than 15 games to feel like they belong. So far, no guy under 30 has shown that they can't  play in the last 5 years. Fitting in in a hurry is a different story. Changing coaches through politics three times was ridiculous.

Until Mantalos plays in the middle and Bakasetas or Karelis plays as an SS, I cannot get a gauge on either of them. It only says they are top players out of position for the sake of the Ethniki.

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Dean97    158

Mavrias plays for German 2nd division side Karlsruher. He played 20 or so matches with no goals. When he was 18-19 he went to Sunderland. He was regarded as the next big thing. Unfortunately his form has dropped off ever since he signed for Sunderland. He is still young. He is 23 this season he needs to improve and get back into form the way he was before signing in the EPL in order to warrant a call-up. So far I don't see it happening.

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ausgreek    206

With regard to left field selections, a goalkeeper named Gianniotis came in to sit on the bench. What was wrong with Barkas sitting on the bench  instead, through an injury to Glykos? He didn't do much wrong sitting on the bench afew campaigns ago. What is Skibbo's criteria when choosing players, was it through injury?

Fountas or Pelkas played 5 mins and not seen again. Mantalos out of position has been ordinary and is one of the first players picked.

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Dean97    158

Barkas is better than Gianniotis and I'm a Olympiakos fan. I've always said Mantalos is not good on the right wing but Skibbe plays him there. 

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ausgreek    206

I hope Skibbe shows more faith in someone that is natural on the wing soon. I don't believe you pick your best 11. You pick the best players in their best positions - which means it will turn out to be the best decision.

Not many players are versatile enough to be at world class standard in un-natural positions in a team. Mantalos and Bakasetas are struggling with this right now.

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