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Best line up is this

Manolas Sokratis Retsos
Torosidis - Kourbelis - Stafylidis/Koutris

       Zeka 

Fortounis

Mitroglou Donis

3-5-2 

get past anything else for now.

 

EDIT: I just saw that Dean posted the same lineups with only Torosidis (he is still a game changer at Olympiakos tho so I give him +1 year at least) and 3rd CB different.

Nibbas Im honestly telling you you need to enjoy watching the NT more than being obsessed with it making it. Right now we re in no position to ask. Their limit is finishing 3rd.

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I have a hunch that the new coach is going to go with youth. I expect to see L. Lamprou, Koutris, Tzimikas, Galanopoulos, Limnios, Hatzigiovanis and maybe Mavropanos (if not injured) come into the squad. He made it clear when overlooking Lazaros for the Estonia match.

Team has been hurt by injuries at key times; K Pap, Retsos, Donis, Stafylidis and to a lesser extent Manolas & Soc missed key matches.

NT cannot continue to play slow tempo football against weak opposition. If we do, expect to see more of the same. Actually, this has been problem for 10-12 years. Difference now is we are losing these matches 1-0. Weak teams park the bus and embarrass us on the counter. When was the last time we scored 3 goals? I see progress, but it will be slow. 

I also have a hunch that  Soc will retire if we don’t make it to Euro 2020. We can’t lose to Bosnia away. A win vs Italy would be a huge boost. We will need to do better vs Finland and the return legs v Bosnia and Italy will determine our fate if we don’t stuff it up before then.

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Done with the old guard except for Toro, for now.

                            Vlahomidos

Toro (c)       Manolas          Retsos          Koutris

       Galanopoulos-(metro beard)  Fortounis

 Chatzigiovannis       Donis          Lamprou    

                             Koulouris

 

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3 hours ago, kbxk508 said:

I have a hunch that the new coach is going to go with youth. I expect to see L. Lamprou, Koutris, Tzimikas, Galanopoulos, Limnios, Hatzigiovanis and maybe Mavropanos (if not injured) come into the squad. He made it clear when overlooking Lazaros for the Estonia match.

Team has been hurt by injuries at key times; K Pap, Retsos, Donis, Stafylidis and to a lesser extent Manolas & Soc missed key matches.

NT cannot continue to play slow tempo football against weak opposition. If we do, expect to see more of the same. Actually, this has been problem for 10-12 years. Difference now is we are losing these matches 1-0. Weak teams park the bus and embarrass us on the counter. When was the last time we scored 3 goals? I see progress, but it will be slow. 

I also have a hunch that  Soc will retire if we don’t make it to Euro 2020. We can’t lose to Bosnia away. A win vs Italy would be a huge boost. We will need to do better vs Finland and the return legs v Bosnia and Italy will determine our fate if we don’t stuff it up before then.

We should really start going for youth now. By the time 2020 comes around Mitroglou and Sokratis will be 32 Torosidis will be 35 and Lazaros will be 34. We need a team of players that will play together all the time from here on out. Create that chemistry and unity within the team so we our players familiar with each other all the way to the Euros in 2020.  We having nothing to lose as we need to rebuild and that should start with our youngsters. If we want rebuild again we should play our youngsters from now not later. 

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18 hours ago, Rockafeller Skank said:

Does he really get the job done when we get scored 2 from Finns, Hunns, 1 from Estonia? I am really not so sure anymore.

2014 qualyfing was 12 goals for and 4 against (3 in our only loss in that campaign and one meme penalty from latvia). Right now we get scored 6 vs terrible teams like these and you people don't get it yet.

The best hting to do is to quit this team for a few years till it bounces. Although I am also hoping for a surprise as well in the qualifiers.

That is the same mentality that is making the team play in front of an empty stadium and not giving them any home field advantage.. With all do respect if that is your mentality then you are not a true fan IMO.. Sticking with the team through the highs and lows is what being a supporter is all about..  Every team goes through ups and downs and this is our time and hopefully we start turning it around sooner rather then later as we are currently in a transition period of slowly removing the older players and start implanting the younger guys..

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14 hours ago, kbxk508 said:

I have a hunch that the new coach is going to go with youth. I expect to see L. Lamprou, Koutris, Tzimikas, Galanopoulos, Limnios, Hatzigiovanis and maybe Mavropanos (if not injured) come into the squad. He made it clear when overlooking Lazaros for the Estonia match.

Team has been hurt by injuries at key times; K Pap, Retsos, Donis, Stafylidis and to a lesser extent Manolas & Soc missed key matches.

NT cannot continue to play slow tempo football against weak opposition. If we do, expect to see more of the same. Actually, this has been problem for 10-12 years. Difference now is we are losing these matches 1-0. Weak teams park the bus and embarrass us on the counter. When was the last time we scored 3 goals? I see progress, but it will be slow. 

I also have a hunch that  Soc will retire if we don’t make it to Euro 2020. We can’t lose to Bosnia away. A win vs Italy would be a huge boost. We will need to do better vs Finland and the return legs v Bosnia and Italy will determine our fate if we don’t stuff it up before then.

I agree I think the coach is going to go with a younger line up as well. 

In all fairness we have been one of the unluckiest teams when it comes to being healthy for key matches..

Our second game is we play Bosnia and this will be our most difficult test because it comes so early. At worst we need to get out of there with a draw.. It will be difficult though..

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My personal opinion : you don't build national teams, you go with the best players available atm....otherwise by the time the "youngsters" are actually good enough you won't have qualified for anything. I suppose the french, dutch and other nations that have an abundance of talent can do that but for Greece its a question of finding solutions among very little options. You don't make long term plans around players because that limits your options even more. I'm all for getting rid of Tziolis Tzavellas and the other deadwood but they should be replaced by whoever is playing best right now and fits into the strategy needed....otherwise we end up developing new versions of Tzavellas and Tziolis (ex: Bakasetas). If Lazaros or Fetfa are playing well (neither are) then they should be called up, if not then leave them out and call up someone else. 

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18 hours ago, Rockafeller Skank said:

Does he really get the job done when we get scored 2 from Finns, Hunns, 1 from Estonia? I am really not so sure anymore.

 

I'd leave Estonia out of there. For the obvious reason.

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Im just more realistic guys.

This team has mentality issues (obviously) and Sokratis is not as he was 4 years ago. Settle it. Stats speak for themselves.

We got scored nothing 4 years go compared to what this team concedes now. New coach would better get a new scheme with lots ofCBs coz we really got goodones  

Team will go down more certain for themselves now for sure. This Group is unironically a blessing. Teams like Russia, Croatia, Germany in pot 2 were avoided.

What type of mentality exactly SHOULD I have (unironically) with this team's latest results (its currently 4 years the team is underperforming with a decent run in 2018 WC). 

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What this team needs is a proper coach and captain. Torosidis is ok but we need another Karagounis or Zagorakis. Someone who commands every single bit of hard work and passion for the team. I find this group of players too entitle who don’t understand why it means to represent your country. Each player have to work equally as hard. They have to do go the extra mile. Defensively we seem like naturals in defence, we can defend. I want to see more from us in attack, more hunger and determination. I want our midfielders to not stop running and hasstling, I want our full back to bomb forward and create opportunities and be an option. I want the striker to be the hungriest player on the field. Most of all I want players who everything for the shirt with excuses. Fast players and players with good technique is also preferred. 

We have to play at a faster tempo with the ball and scramble for it to win it back. Play the right players in the right positions. All this would be done with the right coach and the right leader. I believe with the right coach he will pick the right squad and all of our ??? would be answered.

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@Dean97

I agree with you but we have a new coach now and regardless how unimpressive his first two games were we he needs to be given every opportunity. At some point if we keep getting the same results we need to start looking at our talent pool and players rather then the coach. As far a captain is concerned I couldn't agree with you more, This is the challenge finding someone that guys look up to and is a true leader, someone who has the passion and sacrifices everything for the team. Toro is okay for now but we are really missing this. Sokratis doesn't have it and either does Manolas as good as they are they are not captain material. I'm hoping this new coach finds the right formula and combination of players quick or we will miss another tournament. We also need the Greek players to play and produce and be in form and be healthy to start a tournament for once. We also need the Fans in Crete to fill the Stadium and give the team a true homefield advantage. I hope we start play with natural wingers for once. I cant wait for this tournament to start but my optimism is not to high right now but lets hope for the best.

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On ‎12‎/‎31‎/‎2018 at 2:47 PM, Rockafeller Skank said:

Im just more realistic guys.

This team has mentality issues (obviously) and Sokratis is not as he was 4 years ago. Settle it. Stats speak for themselves.

We got scored nothing 4 years go compared to what this team concedes now. New coach would better get a new scheme with lots ofCBs coz we really got goodones  

Team will go down more certain for themselves now for sure. This Group is unironically a blessing. Teams like Russia, Croatia, Germany in pot 2 were avoided.

What type of mentality exactly SHOULD I have (unironically) with this team's latest results (its currently 4 years the team is underperforming with a decent run in 2018 WC). 

Greece got a great draw considering we dropped to pot 4..  Slam dunk draw would have been to land in Group G with Poland, Austria, Israel, the Skops and Latvia. The next best draw would have been playing in England's group with Checks, and Bulgaria. 2nd would have been a lock and first place would not have been out of the question.

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7 hours ago, J1078 said:

@Dean97

I agree with you but we have a new coach now and regardless how unimpressive his first two games were we he needs to be given every opportunity. At some point if we keep getting the same results we need to start looking at our talent pool and players rather then the coach. As far a captain is concerned I couldn't agree with you more, This is the challenge finding someone that guys look up to and is a true leader, someone who has the passion and sacrifices everything for the team. Toro is okay for now but we are really missing this. Sokratis doesn't have it and either does Manolas as good as they are they are not captain material. I'm hoping this new coach finds the right formula and combination of players quick or we will miss another tournament. We also need the Greek players to play and produce and be in form and be healthy to start a tournament for once. We also need the Fans in Crete to fill the Stadium and give the team a true homefield advantage. I hope we start play with natural wingers for once. I cant wait for this tournament to start but my optimism is not to high right now but lets hope for the best.

I definitely agree we should hope for the best. I think Anastasiadis has to look into the u20s. He said Tsimikas, Galanopoulos, Chatzigiovannis and Koulouris will be given chances. He should also be looking at Masouras, Koutris and Mavropanos. 

Hopefully Bakasetas stays on the bench for a while aswell as Mantalos. I really hope the people in Crete come and watch the games because we all know the majority of people in Athens and Piraeus have lost hope. Let’s begin a fresh start in a new stadium which hopefully sells out every home game for the homefield advantage.

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Lets hope Anastasiadis  doesn't call up Bakasetas the guy has not played one decent game for the NT. 

As for playing in Crete I think the stadium will be filled and will give us a much needed home field advantage compared to what we all saw during the Nations League at OAKA.

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I think we need to go with what got us to the top. A premium on Experience + Form 

so for me I like this

           Mitroglou

Donis Fortounis Fetfa/Lazaros

       Zeca Mantalos/Pelkas

Koutris Sokratis Manolas Torosidis

            Vlacho

 

Possible additions pending on how they do rest of the season

Masouras at RW

Kourbelis for CDM

Galanopoulos at CM

 

I'm not a fan of the youth unless they show they have extreme composure / form. Donis/Koutris satisfy this for me. If Stafylidis or Holebas were in the picture and in form tho I'd put them at LB over Koutris. I like Tsimikas too for attacking flair, but defensive liability. 

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4 hours ago, georgelaz said:

I think we need to go with what got us to the top. A premium on Experience + Form 

so for me I like this

           Mitroglou

Donis Fortounis Fetfa/Lazaros

       Zeca Mantalos/Pelkas

Koutris Sokratis Manolas Torosidis

            Vlacho

 

Possible additions pending on how they do rest of the season

Masouras at RW

Kourbelis for CDM

Galanopoulos at CM

 

I'm not a fan of the youth unless they show they have extreme composure / form. Donis/Koutris satisfy this for me. If Stafylidis or Holebas were in the picture and in form tho I'd put them at LB over Koutris. I like Tsimikas too for attacking flair, but defensive liability. 

Hopefully during this campaign Donis comes through in a big way for us!

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8 hours ago, georgelaz said:

I think we need to go with what got us to the top. A premium on Experience + Form 

so for me I like this

           Mitroglou

Donis Fortounis Fetfa/Lazaros

       Zeca Mantalos/Pelkas

Koutris Sokratis Manolas Torosidis

            Vlacho

 

Possible additions pending on how they do rest of the season

Masouras at RW

Kourbelis for CDM

Galanopoulos at CM

 

I'm not a fan of the youth unless they show they have extreme composure / form. Donis/Koutris satisfy this for me. If Stafylidis or Holebas were in the picture and in form tho I'd put them at LB over Koutris. I like Tsimikas too for attacking flair, but defensive liability. 

That’s how we should honestly set up the team. But I over heard Panathinaikos coach Giorgos Donis say that the 2 CDM positions have to know how to mark. That’s why he said he wouldn’t play Mantalos there as the 2nd CDM. Same could go for Pelkas, they need to know how to mark. I was thinking of doing the same but Donis brought up a good point.

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On 1/11/2019 at 9:15 PM, Dean97 said:

That’s how we should honestly set up the team. But I over heard Panathinaikos coach Giorgos Donis say that the 2 CDM positions have to know how to mark. That’s why he said he wouldn’t play Mantalos there as the 2nd CDM. Same could go for Pelkas, they need to know how to mark. I was thinking of doing the same but Donis brought up a good point.

I think we should play a CM and CDM. So a CDM to man mark like zeca take a modric/debruyne out of the game. Then we need a CM like Tachtsidis/Galanopoulos (makeshift ones in Pelkas/Mantalos) that can connect the midfield to attacking third. a big problem with us is the attacking third.

panathinaikos's run has been cute but I think even without point reductions they'd be 4th which is underperforming for the history of the club and they are still one of the biggest money spenders in the league. the full backs are expensive. mounier is expensive. kourbelis is expensive. relative to the rest of the league.

not to be a hater as my club is pao but chatzigiovannis and bouzoukis will look s%$#! for ethniki if they start imo. I bet galanopoulos would too. They've had flashes of brilliance but so far anytime we've inserted youth for ethniki they're often invisible unless it's someone with a clear stand out like Retsos who was starting for OLY and got bought for deca millions.

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If you spend 200 bucks in the Greek league you’re considered a big spender. 

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On 1/13/2019 at 5:12 PM, Dean97 said:

I don’t think that it means that file. It’s just showing the total market value in descending order. 

no it has more info then just that. look at pao's player wages and compare it to greek teams outside the big 4. big difference.

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Yeah but when you said big spenders Panathinaikos got most of not all their players for free. You can’t really in my opinion count the wages for anything. 

Also how do find out the wages for the players??

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