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  they are talking about 

eglimatiki organosi

kai si rotas  gia endekades proponites paragontes etc etc 

 

 

 

wat part dont u dont understand agoraki

the prothlima is locked down 

 den exi noima

kai den prokite na allaksi tpta

 

 

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I know what they're talking about pal. But instead of blaming everyone else, take a look in our own backyard. We have our own problems to deal with.

Blaming the mafia and olympiakos for how our players play isn't going to win us anything!

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^^^^why play in a league that is corrupt to the core and you are not being paid on time if at all not for months...before a ball is kicked the league is decided no matter how hard you try or play you are going to be screwed over and over on and off the pitch...don't you think that would have physical effect on any team.....alafouzo is hiding s%$#! just like the rest of these corrupt parasites...oly = the system!!!....we panathinaikos fan's and players don't!!!!!

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I'm not sitting here applauding the cleanliness of the league. Im focusing more so on us! if we had beaten olympiakos, we wouldn't even be mentioning any mafia, I feel as if this is a cheap way of blaming others for our downfall.

 

first it's Strammacioni, then it's Alafouzo, then gate13 and now the mafia....

i understand that it does play a certain effect mentaly on players, but for gods sake guys, until I see us invest properly and do all the right things, then my blame is solely on our team and no one else!

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We have to wake up a bit and realise that we are no longer the great Panathinaikos we once used to be. That europao name we were riding is done, dusted and should never ever be brought up until we make CL consistently and get out of group stages year in year out. Until then, we move on.. 

Also need to realise how far ahead olympiakos is in comparison to us as a football club. (Forget the off the pitch antics), but in regards to visions, goal setting and finance. They are run prim and proper!

So lets do OUR bit to fix ourselves first, and until we are at the best version we can be, then we can talk. But until then, in done with the scape goat s%$#!. It's our backyard we need to tidy. Moving to another league is still going to be the same s%$#!, only difference is that we may feel better coz we won't be -7 behind the gavroi

 

anyone else feel me here??

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^^100 percent agree with your post.  The new PAO headed by Alafouzos...has made PAO a tiny club!  Until we find a real owner this will continue.

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^^^^even with a new owner in this league/organisation you will not beat the system!!!do you guy's understand that?...this is corrupt to the core!.. a lot more than you and i can ever imagine!!!!

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We did the double a few years back and in 04... And when you look at the squads we had for the championships, it doesn't come as a suprise that we won!

So when we look to invest to replicate the talent we held in those championship winning squads, we leave destiny in OUR hands and not any one else's.

And Mladen Petric is at Leoforos according to instagram, looks like he may be saying a word or two to the team

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21 hours ago, PAOmelbourne said:

I know what they're talking about pal. But instead of blaming everyone else, take a look in our own backyard. We have our own problems to deal with.

Blaming the mafia and olympiakos for how our players play isn't going to win us anything!

You haven't got it at all. This has nothing to do with us losing 3-0, some of us has wanted to leave this corrupt league for years. 

If we, PAOK & AEK create another league obviously we have to start everything from scratch. Without UEFA competitions most players will obviously leave these teams. But on the other hand we would get a fair, more competitive and more exciting league. And less violence. 

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^^So answer me this...Meli has 2 times the capital of Marinakis.  To add he's contracted by the CIA to feed the USA 7th fleet with fuel,  so with all that power why does he not invest into AEK?   Are we to believe that he's not involved in Mafia...Would he be afraid of someone else?  Wouldn't he be able to put cement boots on a few and send them to the bottom of the ocean?   IT DOESN'T ADD UP!

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He supplies a lot more than just the 7th fleet jvc, good points you make they also make me wonder at times what the F*** is really going on and are these pricks just playing us all?

Meli has big time contacts, from CIA and others in America to the heavies from Czech he bought OPAP with, then add in Savvidis with his Russian mafia/kgb mates and again you think what the F*** are these guys worried about when they sure do have an army of power behind them.....

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Marinakis invested in Olympiakos and got lucky with the timing of it.  Pre CL there wasn't big money up for grabs.  Now, there is, and the money that Marinakis invested payed off big time.  ~200 million in CL monies.  It started a huge snowball effect where he could reinvest that money into the squad.  He did so and we know the result.  For the other "big 3" patates tiganites.  Good luck catching up now.

And now to expect Savvidis, Alafouzos and Melissanidis to pour in say, realistically, 50 million to 100 million to just compete, and this wouldn't be a guaranteed CL entry since first you have to beat Olympiakos and then you have to get through the CL qualifiers (which realistically they wouldn't), why would they do this ?  Risk vs reward ?  Big risk, more likely than not it wouldn't pay off.  And if it did it might only pay off for one year, and Marinakis would spend like crazy.

@jvc you said in a post in the U.S. election thread that you can't wait for politicians to come and help you.  You have to help yourself.  Maybe you should take the same advice and stop waiting for a messiah to come and rescue Panathinaikos.

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^^Can't argue against your post,  and agree that investing big money would be a huge risk knowing that a return is not likely.

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@Bananas It was PAO's fault that allowed Oly to be the only one to mostly benefit from the new CL.

It's beyond any debate that Tzigger left PAO unprotected when the "paragga" was being built. It was gross negligence because Tzigger was a very rich person. Instead he made the wrong decisions, divided the club, and had incompetent people around him and in important positions within the club. (do you remember the presidents he appointed?)

So while we were fractured and masturbating dreaming of past glory, Kokalis and Marinakis invested lots of money into their team. They were smart to understand that building a strong team and an EPO/league/refs to their liking, they could win titles, go to the new CL, get $$$$$, which would invest (most?) back into their empire to get more titles, etc, etc.

I have no confidence a country shaken to its foundations by the economic crisis and by corruption that some good solution will emerge any time soon.

If I were to fix this, I'd throw everyone out, get professional technocrats outside the realm of the teams and put them in charge of the league, EPO, and refs. But, I'd also make a main issue the competitiveness of the league. Oly above all, but also the other bigger teams would object, but I'd try to make the league like the NFL in the US. I would not allow big gaps among the teams to take place. Spending caps, revenue sharing, draft, and whatever else the successful teams in the US do and they have sports that are very successful. And, yes, why not have Platanias win the title?  The Euroleague is revamping basketball to make it more competitive and more entertaining as well.

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I don't ever see a day where you have a system like in the U.S. (and Australia for that matter) of drafts, spending caps etc.  It's too far gone and the big clubs in Europe would object vociferously.  I think if it came to it, they would break away and make their own league.

Having said that, UEFA has implemented the Financial Fair Play system but it's still a bit of a joke.  It's too little too late.  There were always big clubs (e.g. Barcelona, Real Madrid, Bayer, Man Utd, Liverpool, Milan, Inter, Juve etc.) but the disparity now is ... just so large it's become ridiculous.  This is because of the CL and the huge prize money.  It started the snowball effect and has just rolled on.

But I don't know what you can really do about it.  Maybe UEFA could halve the prizemoney and instead give it clubs directly, even those not competing in Europe.  Hmm, now I'm sounding like a commie.

You want to know what I think is the best way to stop the massive disparity ?  Go back to the old days, maybe tweaked a little.

1) Only allow 5 foreigners in the squad.  Back in the day it was 3 but I think that's maybe a bit low.

2) Don't allow a club to have more than "x" number of players in total.  This is to stop clubs buying 60 players and loaning them out.  If you have a player, he should be in your squad.  Otherwise, you need to sell him.

The beauty of point 1) above is that it curtails the spending power of all "big" clubs.  Yes, they'll still get the best, but they won't get "the rest" who are just a little behind in quality, and these players would be at different clubs.  You wouldn't get the concentration and stock piling like you have today.

And you'd actually get to see teams in Europe that are composed of players that are local.  Now, if you beat Arsenal what did you beat ?  An English team ?  I don't even know what the heck it means anymore.

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^ Really like your points. Allowing a max of 5 foreigners could actually help countries out with their national teams to develop players. Your second point is awesome too because then you won't be seeing players like mkhitaryan or Mohamed Sissoko just sitting the bench on teams. 

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I find it so funny coming from this clown hahahahhahhaha

 

Έξαλλος με τη διαιτησία ο Θεοδωρίδης: «Πέναλτι στον Ντε Λα Μπέγια και 4-5 οφσάιντ 5 και 10 μέτρα»

Έντονα παράπονα για τη διαιτησία του αγώνα με τον Πλατανιά έκανε ο Σάββας Θεοδωρίδης. Σημείωσε ότι είναι το τέταρτο σερί ματς που αδικείται ο Ολυμπιακός και τόνισε ότι το αποτέλεσμα είναι σαν ήττα.

http://www.sport-fm.gr/article/podosfairo/eksallos-me-ti-diaitisia-o-theodwridis-penalti-ston-nte-la-mpegia-kai-4-5-ofsaid-pede-kai-deka-met/3257864

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7 hours ago, Amorgos said:

+13 points from 2nd... think he will be ok the muppet 

LMFAO!

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@Bananas Yeah, I'm of the same view. I've been saying for years that the gap between the top (maybe a dozen) teams and the rest is huge and getting bigger. A handful of teams have budgets greater than the whole Greek league. You can't compete with that. Maybe there's no difference in how competitive they are among teams who spend $200 and $250 million, but there's no way a team with a budget of under $10 mil. (like PAO) can compete.

Same in Greece, where Oly often had budgets bigger than all of their competitors combined.

Now, the concentration of great players in 3-4 leagues also increase the quality of the teams & leagues. This brings success and more income.

But, the titles are won only by a handful of top teams. The rest are like film extras who appear just to make the scene work.

I think UEFA is making a big mistake for allowing this to happen.  I like Bananas suggestions.  The only snag may be the definition of "foreign" player. If someone is a European citizen and part of the EU, then they can work anywhere within the EU.

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7 hours ago, athinaios said:

I think UEFA is making a big mistake for allowing this to happen.  I like Bananas suggestions.  The only snag may be the definition of "foreign" player. If someone is a European citizen and part of the EU, then they can work anywhere within the EU.

Well from a legal perspective UEFA will argue that any player with EU citizenship should be free to play where he wishes.  But you always have special cases, it's never a simple blanket rule so if they argue that they are just being cute.  The situation is so out of hand now that even "small" teams in Greece have many non Greek players and if it went back to the old system it would take time for clubs to adjust.  You'd probably have to do it over a 3 to 5 year period now.

This is not about I want to see more Greek players playing in the GSL, although that would be a side effect.  It's about trying to stop the spiraling concentration of money.  To be fair, I think there is no more concentration to be had.  I think the big clubs are already eating most of the pie.  Their bellies are full.

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13 minutes ago, Bananas said:

..  I think the big clubs are already eating most of the pie.  Their bellies are full.

Oh, I think on this one you're wrong my friend.....

Is this what happens in the real world??  No! Those who get most of the benefits always want more. And, they complain the most when they lose a portion of their huge slice...

Just for fun, read Forbes magazine (or any of its type). You'll see how many analysts, editors, economic players, etc, all complain about the disastrous policies that practically kill the entrepreneurial spirit, tax the job creators too much, etc. etc. Meanwhile, 90% of the economic boom since the Great Recession of the 2008-09 has been captured by the top 5%, while Wall Street has been breaking records giving bonuses to its employees, CEOs, money managers, etc. Anyway, I don't want to go into another topic...

The thing is to keep healthy competition going. Capitalism leads to monopolies unless there's oversight and regulation. Like any society that's healthy, UEFA has to make its competitions healthy. Same with national leagues. It's not fun or good for Greece that 1 team has a bigger budget than all of its competitors combined and wins 99% of the titles.

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