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  1. PAOTHEGREAT

    Daily Team News [ 2018 ]

    Yes the family atmosphere is lacking overall in Greece. That said I see progress lately like you mentioned, but we have long ways to go in achieving that. Let's hope it doesn't start going backwards, we all know things in Greece can change for the worse over night.
  2. PAOTHEGREAT

    Daily Team News [ 2018 ]

    Very well said. The thing is all the fan can do is support the club. The problems in the league can and should be corrected by the government. That said I do see progress lately, and if they stay committed to correct the violence and corruption it will eventually pay off. However PAOs main issue is debts, and should be the number 1 priority of the club....PA0 was hours away from bankruptcy so fan support must be there. Lets fight one battle at a time the club has loads of young talent, Alafouzo is staying committed on funding the team all we need is fan support. IMO there's no excuse for not showing up and paying 15 Euros if you love the club. 30 million revenue Nick per season is more than sufficient to bring back PAO at the top. I want to see 20k against Panionios! The club is averaging close to 1 million viewers on TV, that's the number one show in Greece. Second is Alpha news....the fans are there, just do your thing and show up. Support the club.
  3. PAOTHEGREAT

    Daily Team News [ 2018 ]

    What I don't understand is, where's the fan support? We're not talking 100 Euros per match, good seats are going for 15 Euros. Do we expect millions invested averaging 9k per match? Look at AEK the champions they average 9k. Let's not just blame the owners here, the Greek mentality is to blame. How hard is it to average 30k at 20 Euros, that's 20 million in gate revenues. From the beginning before we new anything about Alafouzo, he clearly started that the team was in debt for 30 million. His plan was straight forward and up front to pay off the debts.....where was the fan support? Instead of supporting the club, they cost the team millions in fines from their behavior. It's very simple, support by showing up to matches. Like I mentioned earlier, is it that difficult to average 30k at 15 Euros? With ticket revenues and TV, add the sponsors we're talking 30 million! Do you think PAO would have problem if this very simple concept was achieved? Don't blame the owners, blame the Greek mentality first.
  4. PAOTHEGREAT

    Daily Team News [ 2018 ]

    https://www.sdna.gr/podosfairo/superleague/article/522102/panathinaikos Documents signed and the THAI will hold 50 percent of shares....no more details released on what the agreement entails.
  5. PAOTHEGREAT

    SL–R5: Olympiakos - PAOK (30-Sep-18, 20:30 EEST)

    I think we need VAR, that would be a breath of fresh air. It's a matter of time before a foreign ref makes a mistake, cost 1 of the big 4 points, and the blame game will start. To the conspiracy theorists what's the difference between paying off a Greek ref with a foreign one? That being said I agree there has been corruption in Greek football. What I'm saying is, Olympiakos has been successful because they run a top notch football club, while we were running popcorn stands for years on end. PAOK seems to be running a good ship these days, AEK is debt free and progressing steadily, and PAO will need a couple more years to get organized. We should focus first on doing the right things, and if there's corruption we deal with it. Looking at this season, PAOK is the front runner, found a way to win in Kareskaki something that doesn't happen often, so looking forward PAOK is controlling their own destiny. Should win the championship this season, and not because Savidis stopped the corruption in Greek football....because they would be the better team. That's the way I see things.
  6. PAOTHEGREAT

    SL–R5: Olympiakos - PAOK (30-Sep-18, 20:30 EEST)

    Lets get back to the 90s. PAOs and AEKs 8 year run on championship was coming to a end, and Kokkalis was getting started on his Olympiakos legacy. Let us not forget Olympiakos was in deep crisis throughout the 80s and into the 90s. At the end of the decade AEKs problems were already running high, players leaving for free, high paid players coming in and debts accumulating to enormous numbers while tens of millions missing. PAOs situation was different but still distinctive....If I cout there's at least 7 high profile players that walked for free, and replaced with millions of dollars....the family showed signs of interest winning a few more championships while performing well in the CL, but then all of a sudden things changed. What was evident there was in house fighting Pateras showed up, gate 13 went into attack and the rest is history. I don't believe Kokkalis planned some kind of dictatorship take over, what we have here is very simple....while PAOK, PAO and AEK were struggling to get their houses in order, Kokkalis and Olympiakos established a well run football club. Winning championships over clubs in turmoil is easy.
  7. PAOTHEGREAT

    SL–R5: Olympiakos - PAOK (30-Sep-18, 20:30 EEST)

    In the last 30 years PAO received CL cash at least 8 times, and I believe 4 of them was not shared. Also PAO had the strongest owner in Greece, and was president of the league for many years....so why would he allow Olympiakos to be over him? The first 30 years when the family was in charge, PAO won 10 championships, Olympiakos 12, AEK 5, PAOK 2 and AEL 1. For myself it makes more sense to believe that Olympiakos stuck together built a world class franchise, and the other 3 fell apart and destroyed each other within. And let's not forget the corruption within our clubs....how much money went missing?
  8. PAOTHEGREAT

    SL–R5: Olympiakos - PAOK (30-Sep-18, 20:30 EEST)

    I think the last 30 years PAO and AEK had a few good moments, but for the most part they were run to the ground, and PAOK was nonexistent. Olympiakos was clearly run professionally and succeeded. Is there corruption? Sure there's corruption everywhere around the globe. That said, if your team is run professionally, and has world class players, makes millions on transfers you will succeed. Question for you. The last 30 years can you tell me how many big transfer moves PAOK, PAO and AEK have made that brought them in big money? You call that professional run? Olympiakos was clearly on another level.
  9. PAOTHEGREAT

    SL–R5: Olympiakos - PAOK (30-Sep-18, 20:30 EEST)

    The controversy is created within in Greece. Greeks always blame someone else for their misfortunes, and It has been this way for a century. Blame the British, CIA, Nixon, the list goes on. There's no conspiracy my friend, Olympiakos has been the most successful team in Greece because they're run professionally, and the only team that can be compared to other professional clubs outside Greece. The rest are just starting to figure this out now.
  10. PAOTHEGREAT

    PAO League Games 2018-2019

    Totally agree, let's not get ahead of ourselves....Win the games we're supposed to win, ARIS, Atromitos, Asteras and we'll be top 4. On a note the second half will be easier, we have Olympiakos, PAOK, Asteras and ARIS home. The first half is extremely difficult so even if we manage 10 wins, that will be remarkable, can't ask for more, and adding unnecessary pressure on the young guns will not be good.
  11. PAOTHEGREAT

    Daily Team News [ 2018 ]

    https://m.sport24.gr/football/omades/Panathinaikos/posa-prepei-na-valei-o-piempongksant-gia-na-ginei-megalometoxos-ths-pae-panathhnaikos.5320731.html As I was mentioning on a another topic thread. The reason behind the no deal with the Thai is, the 10 million he's proposing to invest will only buy him 22 percent of PAO....Alafouzo wants 25 million for 50 percent of the shares, and rightfully so. So where's all this garbage stories coming from? If you guessed the basketball guy, you're correct, straight out of his news outlets Leofors and Sportsday. This is the first time Alafouzo has taken complete control on decisions making in PAO. All the years prior it was the snakes within that mislead him. Now as we see, the basketball guy is kissing you know what, and over the weekend will be holding rallies to support PAO fc. All this stuff about 10 million, or drop your 25 and leave is laughable....not even a 6 year old would fall for that.
  12. PAOTHEGREAT

    PAO League Games 2018-2019

    ^^Let's see what happens. For the record PAOs debts were 30 million when Alafouzo took over, and the 100 million revenue seems farfetched. That said I might be mistaken, and the numbers you have are correct. What's happening with the Thai is very simple....do you trust someone taking over the club with 10 million? What's happening here is a negotiating of share percentage. 10 million will not buy you the club. And I don't believe they're worth 60 percent as reported. What we're getting here is twisted truths. Alafouzo turned down 25 million offered by Dimitri....so why would he accept 10 million from the Thai after investing 17 million plus 4? And will be covering 3 million by the end of October. Getting back to the players being paid on a low budget, the majority of the kids are being paid 20k a season. There's negotiations going on now to extend their contracts that end in 2020, and the management is very confident they will sign 75k to 100k contracts with a clause. So even if the budget raises to 4 million next year the team can easily handle that. https://m.sport24.gr/football/omades/Panathinaikos/kanena-empodio-ston-piempongksant-gia-ta-lefta.5319848.html Here's the official document. There's nothing holding back the Thai to invest into ownership. What this article is not telling us is, what does 10 million by you? Certainly not 60 percent, that would be outrageous. Now even if the debts are still at 25 million, 10 million plus 25 is 35 million. 35 million for 60 percent souds about right. Alafouzo covers the debts and holds on to shares correct? Or does 10 million by you 100 percent of the club? As you can see logic will tell us....Alafouzo expects compensation for the club, and rightfully so. I have never in my life heard of someone investing money and then handing their investments over....maybe a father for his son.
  13. PAOTHEGREAT

    PAO League Games 2018-2019

    https://m.sport24.gr/Columns/Charlie/h-istoria-toy-panathhnaikou-deixnei-ton-dromo.5319467.html This article sums it, the road back to greatness. It's very simple, if they show up constantly for 2 seasons averaging 17k not including the derbies, PAO will be debt free and earning a big profit. Also PAO ATM is hitting the highest TV ratings averaging 600k viewers and climbing up to 1 million at highest point. Knowing this why would Alafouzo sell for nothing? His budget is 2 million and bringing in over 20 million. I believe he finally has the perfect economical environment to succeed. Whatever the case is on whether or not he stays or decides to leave....it's much better for the clubs future to sell a team earning good profit, and having a solid young roster, than to be desperately selling a loser in debt.
  14. PAOTHEGREAT

    PAO League Games 2018-2019

    Big game on Saturday and a must win. 2 tough matches after PAS, at Asteras and PAOK. Saturday they're expecting over 20k, lets keep it going!
  15. PAOTHEGREAT

    PAO League Games 2018-2019

    ^^I'm certain that the debts paid to players thus far, can't be paid by creating new debts. The main conditions from UEFA for reapplying on your license is, players debts must be paid without debt relief programs, bonds or new credit. The real truth is, PAOs debts will be reduced to 20 million this season, and all players debts are required to be paid in full. The 20 million are mostly tax debts, so Alafouzo will be using the government debt relief package already passed in the Senate. 20 million reduced to 15, paid yearly for 12 years. You mentioned that the fans will stay away after a few defeats....that's dumb because if they continue to support PAO will have no problems. The fans will eventually understand how the real world works. Nobody drops 30 million dollars and hands the team over....that's dumb. That said if they are looking for a new ownership, support the team for 3 seasons, get strong and Alafouzo can sell for a profit.....Remember he's holding the cards, not the basketball guy.
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