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  1. Bashibozuk

    Our Brothers Across the Aegean

    Four days ago Panionios was playing against Apollon. Α Τurk appeared at the new Izmir field to see the match and brought with him the panel below. Τhe gentleman (“Mehmet Yakıcı”?,İstanbul) in question stated that his grand father used to describe to him the atmosphere of the Apollon-Panionios matches in Izmir; he wanted to experience what his grandfather had experienced. Mehmet stated that he is learning Greek and his ambition is to post his thoughts and feelings, in Greek, in all the Greek forums.
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    Macedonia Name Dispute

    What would be your response?.... 1) In my book, reasonable people say "Prove it!" 2) Reasonable people accused of a crime say "Prove it!" 3) Reasonable people dragged to a civil court say "Prove it!" 4) As far as know, Greece does not plan to move its northern borders farther north! 5) It is easy to prove that neighbors' theories about the Macedonians are ludicrous 6) We sabotage our ourselves with own and often mumbo jumbo theories. Some of the neighbors are neither dumb nor illiterate. 7) My mother told me that I should listen and not talk with one exception: Suicidal car-drivers must be persuaded to park the car at the closest, safely reachable, safe spot.
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    Macedonia Name Dispute

    Well, I have the Liddel and Scott Liddel-Scott 1996. There one will read φιλέλλην fond of the Hellenes, mostly of foreign princes …...and later they get on the part about patriotism. I happen to have the dictionary of Stamatakos. he writes the same stuff minus the patriotism part. But the serious part is this: The organizers did not believe that the Macedonians were eligible and Alexander#1 did not state that the Macedonians were Greeks and therefore eligible. He managed, by means unknown and doubtful, to make himself eligible and not any other Macedonian.
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    Macedonia Name Dispute

    Let me see if we are on the page: Alexander I of Macedon (494-454 BC), known as the Philhellene, ruled Macedonia The adjective Phihellene is normally attached to someone who is not Greek Alexander I wished to participate to the Olympics He would not be allowed to compete as a Macedonian. He had to prove his Greek ancestry and only then was he would be allowed to participate. He claimed to be member of the royal family which could trace its origins back to Argos Herodotus is the father of history. Nevertheless, he is not a historian by the current understanding of the word; e.g., Thucydidis accused him of making up stories. 7). Alexander I did not claim that the Macedonians (himself included) were Dorians and hence Greek. I.e., he accepted that his Macedonians were not Greek.
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    Macedonia Name Dispute

    Concerning " I'm with you 100% on the ancient Macedonians being a Greek tribe" II think that you should Google "Αλέξανδρος Α΄ της Μακεδονίας" and read "https://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/Αλέξανδρος_Α΄_της_Μακεδονίας
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    Macedonia Name Dispute

    Should one be lucky to enter a Parisian restaurant, one is likely to find in the menu some of the following items: “macédoine de fruits” and “macédoine de légumes”. I wonder if the French know something about the Macedonia that we do not.
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    Macedonia Name Dispute

    If the people can't be trusted to make good decisions, why even have elections ? Aman! The theory is that the citizen votes for someone who is honest, informed, and not dumb. I wonder how many at Phantis have lived and worked in Greece dealt with the Greek bureaucracy,
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    Macedonia Name Dispute

    I had the temerity to write that “Not all opinions are informed and if the government is bad, the judgment of the idiots who voted this government into power cannot be trusted!" I was received then the the follow comment: Elites are elites at the end of the day. They know best. The rest of you stay in the dirt and mud and tend to the animals. I continue to believe that “before acting, normal people collect information”. Is there a way to get what they want? What is the cost of this way? Wonderful people such as Θεοδωράκης and Μοσχολιού had strong opinions about the “Macedonia” of our neighbors. Unfortunately, they only were telling us what they like. They never told us how their their vision would be realized and at what cost (and I am talking about money). Normal, Θεοδωράκης was a composer and Μοσχολιού was a singer. E.g., did they know that there are 80000 ethnic Turks in FYROM? Was this factoid important?
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    Macedonia Name Dispute

    the will of the people ... was brushed aside, shat on, spat on, belittled, ignored etc. In 2001 Tassos Yannitsis (minister in the government of Simitis) informed us that the system of retirement forced the country to borrow money and in the near future the country will be bankrupt. The reaction of the people forced Yannitsis to leave the goverment. The country became bankrupt and the people want to find who is the responsible for the present situation. The reason for which we have a parliament is simple. Not all opinions are informed and if the government is bad, the judgment of the idiots who voted this government into power cannot be trusted.
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    Olymbiakos, the King of the Greek Football

    There was a time when the Greek soccer clubs were not the property of some oligarth and the players were not professionals. Things has changed and as a rule the club with bigger budget wins. Example: Before Kokkalis ΟΣΦΠ was to be pitied After Kokkalis the team became much better and the referees amical. Then Vardioyannis was removed from PAO. The new guys brought good and costly players. The team played well and won the championship. A few referees had to be given personal lessons in order to understand that a new sheriff was in the city. Unfortunately, PAO ran of money and was to pitied Then OSFP got a new president. He spent money and learned how tohandle the team and the championship through lessons from well known ethician Αχιλλέα Mπέο. Then, last year, AEK and PAOK were well funded and PAOK would have been the champion if the supporters and the president of PAOK were not of the opinion that the visiting clubs should lose by all conceivable means. AEK was the other team with money and when PAOK committed suicide, AEK became the champion.
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    Olymbiakos, the King of the Greek Football

    I would like to point out that there's no such thing as American language, it is still called English. …. Actually, there is no such a thing as the English language. Those who have seen the “My fair lady” know that the “English language” is not a language. It is a tool for societal discrimination.
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    Olymbiakos, the King of the Greek Football

    We may agree or disagree, but it is expected that we will try to use the same facts, language, syntax and logic. Despoina's statements may be or not be true. Nevertheless Whoever can read and understand either the Greek or the American language would understand that the assertion was “match bought by the government” not “match bought by PAO”. At that time many believed that the govenment of the colonels bought the match; the theory was that a victory would make them popular. There was, though, a lesser sin (but impossible to refute) that took place that year: When Everton came to Athens, the PAO fanatics were driving cars and motorcycles around the hotel where Everton stayed. The basic idea was to create such a bedlam that the Everton players would be unable to sleep. Professional soccer is like a sausage. Wonderful while its components are not known.
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    Olymbiakos, the King of the Greek Football

    Let me write something positive for PAO: Nowadays PAO is economically broke Given its budget, PAO fares well; PAO's coach and the players deserve kudos PAO was victim of referee's ignorance; as a result PAO's faint probability to continue playing for the Cup disappeared. PAO responded by stating " In the Cup match between Panathinaikos and Lamia in the OAKA on 24/1/2019 the regulation was incorrectly implemented to make a fourth change from the moment the match was led to an extension. Despite being able to appeal, Panathinaikos FC does not intend to do so. The ideals and history of the club require us to win matches and qualifiers on the field rather than on the cards. Congratulations to Lamia for her sake. " 5)- Typically, pettiness, sophistry and quibbling follows failure; in this case PAO was victim of referencial ignorance and reacted as a man.
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    Olymbiakos, the King of the Greek Football

    Μιά άλλη πτυχή των κατορθωμάτων του ΠΑΟ το 1971: http://www.redsagainsthemachine.gr/articles/140117/xoyntempley-kai-eberton-diaititis-ellie-kai-ippodromos. Τα σχόλια για το match και η κριτική του διαιτητή δεν μου λέει πολλά. Αλλά αυτά για την φιλοξενία με μοτοσυκλέτες και αυτοκίνητα έγιναν και ήταν συμπεριφορά μικρής ομάδαςμ Η Daily Telegraph γράφει ότι ''όλες οι κρίσιμες αποφάσεις του Ελλιέ, στα καρέ του ΠΑΟ, ευνοούσαν τους Έλληνες'', ενώ αναφέρεται και σε ένα πέναλτυ που δεν έδωσε ο Ελλιέ υπέρ της Έβερτον, σε ανατροπή του Γουίτλ από το Σούρπη. Η Daily Mirror περνάει γενεές 14 ΠΑΟ και Ελλιέ. Χαρακτηρίζει γελοίο το αποτέλεσμα του πρώτου αγώνα στο Λίβερπουλ, κάνει λόγο για ματς των 50 φάουλ στη Λαγοφλώρο, με ελάχιστη ποιότητα, ενώ αναφέρεται και αυτή στο πέναλτυ που δεν έδωσε ο Ελλιέ, χαρακτηρίζοντας το Σούρπη που ανέτρεψε το Γουίτλ ''παίκτη-τσεκούρι''. Γίνεται λόγος για θόρυβο την παραμονή του αγώνος κάτω από το ξενοδοχείο που διέμενε η αποστολή της Έβερτον, με μοτοσυκλέτες και αυτοκίνητα να μην επιτρέπουν στους Άγγλους να κοιμηθούν και τον προπονητή της Έβερτον Κάττερικ να χαρακτηρίζει αυτές τις ενέργειες ''οργανωμένη επιχείρηση εναντίον μας''. Σύμφωνα με την εφημερίδα, ο Κάττερικ δήλωσε πως ο διαιτητής Ελλιέ δεν άφησε την ομάδα του να παίξει ποδόσφαιρο, διαμαρτυρήθηκε για το πέναλτυ που δεν καταλογίστηκε υπέρ των παικτών του, ενώ έκανε παράπονα και για το γήπεδο. ''Ο διαιτητής σφύριζε συνέχεια, με το που κατορθώναμε να κοντρολάρουμε την μπάλα σε αυτό το γήπεδο'', ήταν τα λόγια του. Η Daily Express εν πολλοίς επαναλαμβάνει τα παραπάνω, με τα λόγια του Κάττερικ συμπληρωμένα. ''Η μπάλα ήταν ελαφριά, το γήπεδο σκληρό και οι αντίπαλοί μας υπερ-σκληροί''. Με λίγα λόγια, τα τσεκούρια του ΠΑΟ βαρούσαν στο ψαχνό, ο Ελλιέ έκλεινε τα μάτια, υπό αυτές τις συνθήκες η ομάδα που έψαχνε το γκολ δεν μπορούσε να βρει ρυθμό και στο τέλος ο Γάλλος δεν έδωσε και ένα πέναλτυ στην Έβερτον. Ποια ήταν η ανταμοιβή του Ελλιέ για όλα αυτά, εφόσον παρέμεινε στην Αθήνα για λίγες μέρες μετά τον επαναληπτικό της Λεωφόρου; Aρχικά, ζήτησε να διαιτητεύσει και το ντέρμπυ ΠΑΟ-Ολυμπιακός στη Λεωφόρο, στις 28 Μαρτίου 1971, που έληξε με σκορ 2-2. Ήταν το παιχνίδι που όπως είδαμε, βάζελοι στις κερκίδες λίγο έλειψε να δείρουν το ΓΟΥΛΑΝΔΡΗ, που τους έδινε πριμ για την πρόκρισή τους επί της Έβερτον.
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    Olymbiakos, the King of the Greek Football

    On April 4, 2007 Mrs Despoina Papadopoulou (wife of the dictator Papadopoulos ) appeared at a TV show of Papahelas. Here is what was said: …....... - Despoina : I am AEK, but I wanted to see PAO go to Wembley - Papahelas: Tell us how you remember what happened that day - Despoina: The Yugoslav ambassador, I and Pattakos were seated together. Once the score was 3-0, I was very anxious and I did not feel well. Mr. Pattakos tried to reassure and told me: "We paid them and will win the match. Do not worry” I told him then "Please! The ambassador is seated next to me” and Pattakos told me “he does not know s%$#! of Greek!” After that the Yugoslav ambassador told me (in native Greek!): Do not worry Madame Papadopoulou! you bought it you will get it. Notes: Pattakos said that this conversation never happened. The OSFP supporters claim that Despoina is as truthful as the Biblical Magdalena.. The PAO supporters seem to claim that if PAO were to enter the pool of Shiloam the pool would be sanctified.
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