Dean97

Papadopoulos should be in the team he has said the Ethniki is his life. He shows it every time he plays.

Samaras was a key contributor to the ethniki's success he worked hard and was passionate, also the most frustrating player to watch and that's where the inconsistency comes in. I don't know if that because I expect better of him or that he is not that good. Bottom line is that he was a good player and I respect what he has done for our national team. To say he is the best Greek player is not true. The players that in my opinion gave more to the National Team were Salpingidis, Karagounis. Other players such as Sokratis, Torosidis, Lyberopoulos, Gekas and others. The players that contributed a lot more were the players in Euro 04. Until we win a World Cup all of those players will be the heroes.

True but we need to start Stafylidis playing LB because he is 22 and he can play for the NT for the next 10-12 years.

Mitroglou should not be played by himself upfront. He needs a hard working, fast striker or attacking midfielder next to him to do the pressing.

I think Holebas would go LW. Skibbe has said the 433 has been played before and has not worked which is true.

Let's not forget about Bakasetas he is a 2 footed player and is good at free kicks. He mostly plays attacking midfield at Panionios. I'd rather him on the right wing instead of Christodoulopoulos.

We can't have Mitroglou by himself there. I think we need 2 strikers in my opinion. Unless we play a striker that likes to run (Diamantakos). A 442 is a best possible formation for us. It's a balanced formation of attack and defence that's why it's a common formation. I also agree with having Samaris and Maniatis in the middle. Fortounis can be the one that is alongside Mitroglou or can ghost around him feeding balls and finishing rebounds. The right wing is an issue.

I believe Samaris is a special player he passes the ball like an expert same with Tachtsidis. Karelis I'd like to see play more. Bakasetas could be the answer in what we are looking for. Fortounis is the guy that should be starting. I don't want to see Tziolis or Lazaros in the team. Kourbelis should be given a shot. Also Gianniotas. We should be finding replacements soon but not now for Holebas and Torosidis. I also think Mitroglou should not start anymore and we should play either Vellios or Karelis upfront. Or play both. Maniatis also needs to be in this team.

Mystakidis is also impressive but right now I would rather Bakasetas.

I know you think Mystakidis is a better player than Pelkas can i ask why Mystakidis has not been called up but Pelkas has.

Pelkas has more goals than Fetfatzidis in the Greek League. Plus Fetfatzidis played more games than Pelkas overall. They are practically the same kind of player, (fast, good vision and technical dribblers) but one is younger than the other and one is more ambitious than the other.

I just saw some highlights of Pelkas he is very impressive. He is like Fetfatzidis but Fetfatzidis is better. But in my opinion Pelkas is a better finisher and can score some wonder goals.

I think he and Stafylidis had 2 good games. I just think is Stafylidis going to live up to it because Tzavellas is not that fast to play LB. Holebas has one season in him after that I'm not sure how he will be.

Yeah but I think Fortounis is better thats my opinion. Mantalos should be 2nd choice. Fortounis is heaps better centrally.

That's true but we had our full team against Montenegro except one and that was Kpapadopoulos. I see what ur saying we need more practice with our main starters.

Fortounis would have destroyed Australia he is a type player who is ambitious and started become a real playmaker for our side. His finishing is above Mantalos even though it was a good finish by Mantalos.

Why isn't Mitroglou playing. He should be in the team. How come Samaris is playing it doesn't seem right. Sokratis is now in the team it goes to show you how much he cares for the national team. He and Torosidis are the only ones who actually care and Samaris aswell.

Fortounis is our attacking midfielder. I also think Fetfatzidis should be our back up. Pelkas needs another season to improve. Ninis I don't trust anymore he i s very inconsistent. There's a player that I think is not bad and I think in a few years he will be good and that's Orfanidis from Xanthi. Mantalos is obviously better behind the striker, but is also not bad as the 8ari as he plays at AEK.

No one is good enough to replace Torosidis. My opinion is Kitsiou can replace in the long run, Mavrias needs to play regularly especially at RB to be considered as a possible replacement. Bakakis is a possible option but also needs playing time especially if he is going to be playing in Europe. We need a player that can do the job and be better than Torosidis and at the moment no one is capable to do the job.

Does anyone know what happened to Salpingidis

http://www.phantis.com/content/greece-national-team-where-has-it-all-gone-wrong-how-can-it-be-solved#at_pco=smlrebv-1.0&at_si=570b9fa51c887b01&at_ab=per-4&at_pos=0&at_tot=auto Everyone should read this.

Tziolis provides nothing. Tachtsidis is slow and defensively is not that good. Samaris is good enough to be the 8ari. I agree about Maniatis. I like the idea about Torosidis and Holebas as wingbacks pushing forward alot. Also Petsos should be ahead of Tziolis. The real problem we have to worry about is Manolas. We all know how good he is and i am a fan this player. Sokratis is our best player. Kyriakos i can count on. He always turns it on for Greece. I think Manolas thinks his so good that he gets caught out when playing for Greece. I always wish the best for Greek players, i always want Greeks in anything to make us proud and do well and these past few years Manolas has been the most improved player out of all Greeks. Also in my opinion its safe to say Sokratis and Manolas are our World Class players. Im very patriotic and i am a very proud Greek and i want Greece to be a superpower not just in football but in everything thats how proud and patriotic i am. I can tell you in the 2014 World Cup Manolas suprised at how good he played and what he can do. This is my order of who made me think what a player they are. 1.Manolas ( Just shocked me at the way he defended and won so many areial duels but i knew what he was capable of from Olympiakos but at the World Cup he was king.) 2.Kone ( This guy looked way above everyone else in my opinion looked like the real spark for our team in attack.) 3.Lazaros/Samaris ( Lazaros showed everyone how well he can dribble past players.) Samaris completely shocked me with the way the goal he scored when he came on.) These 4 have serious talent and should be the players that should of carried this team in Euro Qualifiers. But they didnt. The only player that i can say that did well and was better than everyone else was Sokratis. He tried to carry this team by himself this shows you how much he cares and the passion he has for his country. All in all if Manolas does not pick up his NT form i say we give the spot to Papadopoulos.

In my opinion say what you want about Siovas but he saved us a couple of times. The score could have been more. Oikonomou looked like he couldn't win a header all game. Holebas passing is not good enough. Stafylidis is a better passer of the ball. I think Skibbe also wants Stafylidis somewhere on the team. Vellios looked good with his touches. Karelis and Fortounis are carrying this team in attack. Papazoglou has no place in the team. Petsos I believe is a good player. Overall the team looks promising. I also believe if we had one of Manolas, Sokratis or Papadopoulos starting we would have drew this match.

I know how you feel chriskiato. I wanted Ninis and Fetfatzidis to be in the starting 11 for a long time and it finally happened but for only 5 mins and that was in the WC qualifiers under Santos.

I agree that Karelis is short. Not that short but. He is strong and fast enough with the ball at his feet and looks the most hungriest player in attack. Him being on the wing I think would make him isolated and not get the ball as much. Him being striker is a better idea, but then again is he good enough in the air to score goals. It's also a good idea to try him CAM. Diamantakos I am a fan of, he plays with passion. Vellios has been a gun lately. I also wouldn't mind seeing both playing up top. In this match id like to see Fortounis, Petsos and Tachtsidis midfield. Especially Fortounis playing deeper which he can run through the middle because of his dynamic dribbling and create a possible goal scoring chance. Also this will be a better test and with 4 key players missing we should see...