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I think we need to out things into perspective... there is the 'ancient era' - PAO making Euro Final the 'old era' PAO making semis X2 and Oly making QF... AND THE VERY MODERN ERA...THE LAST 5-8 years...where Oly made last 16 twice.. In the very modern era making the last 16 is a huge success.. the goal posts have changed and not too many teams outside the Elite will be making QF/SF.. If you compare the last 5 UCL campaigns of both you will find Oly have done better.. And Oly's last 5 would be in this decade where the bar has been raised much higher even compared to the era pre 2010

I find it interesting that many Greeks believe Belgium will not try v Bosnia...yet believe Cyprus will go all out to beat Greece.. The logic in this 'conspiracy theory' baffles me.... I doubt that EPO will approach CFA to roll over...Too risky if leaked... You need to essentially have some players or coach on board..coach is a foreigner the risk is magnified... again way too risky.. Most likely scenario...Individual Cyprus players are fully aware of what is at stake..I guess their own 'patriotic duty' will prevail....they will chase balls at 80%...they will jump at 70% ..they will 'forget' to deploy the offside trap.... They will over hit a corner...they will go for the 30 yard shot..instead of playing a team mate in...

Any player who has not had a meaningful impact for club should not be considered a future prospect.. Limnios, Evangelou, Nikolaou, Siampanis...are barely senior footballers... lei's try and keep this into perspective..

If we had drawn today...we would have been 4 goals behind Bosnia.. If Bosnia beat Belgium by 1 and Estonia by 2. A 2-0 win at Cyprus and a 6-0 win over Gibraltar gets us second spot... Also the extra point would be handy....As I am feeling as if though either Bosnia or greece will miss out altogether by being the 9th best second team.

Hows this for a potential scenario We draw to Cyprus...Belgium beat Bosnia 3-0.... Then Estonia v Bosnia and Greece v Gibraltar comes down to some goal shoot out.. were we need to beat Gibraltar by 3 more than Bosnia beat Estonia....

a point today meant that if we smacked Gibraltar by 5-0 or 6-0 and Cyprus 1-0 or 2-0...we may have pipped Bosnia on GD regardless if Bosnia win both matches....And also certainly have pipped Montenegro or EIRE...as we and Bosnia are now both in danger of missing out altogether...as the 9th best second based team..

Mandalos is one of our few good attacking creative options.. Zeca is needed. Tziolis NOT!! Bakasetas, Diamantakos, Vellios are all rubbish... Taxi and Samaris if fit SHOULD BE IN THE 11...I have concerns about both their fitness/match fitness? we proved last night that apart from Mitro we have no other strikers....Klaus is sadly the second best Greek striker at the moment....that is saying something... we can now reflect and say that...the following line up may have been more effective...but who knows? .........Bakakis..........K.Pap......Manolas...Staf... ..................................Zeca............................... Giannotas.........Mandalos.......Samaris..........Lazaros .....................................Fortounis.......................... ...................................Donis...................................

once we drew home and away to Bosnia.....the plan was that we were always going to be behind Bosnia with 2 matches to go.. The positive after their loss in Cyprus is that THEY MUST BEAT Belgium...a draw won't be enough...If we beat Cyprus and Gibraltar...

I would have no fear vs Estonia if Mitro, Samaris and Taxi were fit.. we risk playing players who are not fit or not match fit... I would go with...... ...................Karnezis........................ Retsos.......K.Pap.....Manolas.......Stafyllidis .......................Zeca............Bouchalakis........... Giannotas.................Fortounis..........Mandalos .................................Donis............................... Giannotas is not match fit...but we have no other options...

we are playing Estonia not Andorra.. Zeca, K.Pap, Mandalos, Fortounis will be in the 11... the above 11 would lose to Estonia...

Sokratis was ill.....but he will be fine for Belgium. Toro is doubtful... My 11 (or what I think Skibbe will pick) vs Estonia ......................Karnezis..................... Retsos......K,Pap.....Manolas.........Tzavellas ......................Zeca...........Bouchalakis...... Mandalos....................Fortounis.............Stafyllidis ...................................Donis.....................................

tziolis, diamantakos, vellios, bakasetas..have no place in this squad...

i honestly can not recall one worse, given the standings, rankings, budgets, and taking a 3-1 lead......from first leg..and holding it for over an hour in the return leg..

yes....probably the worst elimination from a Greek club that I can remember..Given the strength and pedigree of the swedes.. Lets not forget Atromitos won 1-3 in Sweden 2 years ago against a far more credentialed team AIK Solna...

Points v Sporting at home is only chance... Juve are much better today than any time we have beaten them in the past... And we are much worse than 3 years ago... Our CD worries me and we have NO goal scorers...