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  1. Yep the salaries are inc tax.  So base salary + 45% tax.  Having said that I believe the tax rules were changed recently in Greece and I recall it meant that the tax will be approximately halved.

    Are the salaries really that nowhere close to reality ?  Maybe our budget is 10 million or 50 million ?

  2. First of all who is it that posted that ?  Is that an official club statement ?

    I don't mind if the club chooses to go this route, but the fan base will need to accept that it'll be unlikely we will win the title.  Possible but unlikely.  When you look at the team last season, it was made up experienced players that Lucescu got the best out of.  But importantly, they were well paid and we got the quality we paid for.  Gone are the days of paying players 250K or 300K and expecting to win the title.  All of a sudden we were paying 500K minimum and many players around 750K.  A handful of players were making 1M plus.  Lo and behold we won our first title in 34 years.  You can't tell me budget didn't play a massive role.  If we lower our budget too much we won't be challenging for the title.

    Then there is FFP rules.  If this can't be avoided, then it is what it is.  The budget will need to be lowered.  As to how that's achieved time will tell.  The obvious ones are Matos, Mauricio and Vieirinha all of whose contracts are expiring at the end of the season.  I would like to resign Matos and Vieirinha (obviously!) but I don't know if they will want to have their salaries lowered.  It's inconceivable they will find a better salary elsewhere so the club has that bargaining position on their side but never discount the power of ego.  They may just get upset if they feel they are being undervalued or are unhappy with the proposed contract length.  Vierinha is a special case I suppose but it's hard to justify his salary currently.  Then again the role he played last season was enormous.  As for Mauricio I think he will either have to accept a lower salary or leave.  It's a shame because he was clearly our best midfielder (except when Oliveira was on loan) but since the injury he hasn't been the same.  All three of them are not at the same level as last season.

    As for our budget, my rudimentary calculations place it at 25 million.  This is based on figures from Football Manager.  Not exact but good to get an approximation.

    One thing that stands out is that nearly everyone is overpaid based on their form and performance this season.  To name a few, Paschalakis, Varela, Matos, Esiti, Mauricio, Wernbloom (ha ha), Biseswar, El Kaddouri, Stoch, Vieirinha, Jaba.  Regardless of the reason why, they aren't playing to the level expected given their salaries.  Note the figures below are inc tax.

    Another thing to consider is how this idea of lowering the budget can be implemented.  Who will want to buy these players and will they be able to get better offers elsewhere ?  I don't think so.

    I definitely agree we need a clean out but it needs to be measured.

    1    Paschalakis     780,000 
    2    Zivkovic     260,000 
    3    Papadopoulos     10,800 
    4    Ingason     780,000 
    5    Varela     1,900,000 
    6    Crespo     762,000 
    7    Mihaj     260,000 
    8    Michailidis     25,100 
    9    Giannoulis     485,000 
    10    Rodrigo     520,000 
    11    Matos     1,000,000 
    12    Esiti     1,200,000 
    13    Mauricio     2,300,000 
    14    Wernbloom     2,500,000 
    15    Augusto     415,000 
    16    Tsingaras     5,800 
    17    Misic     722,000 
    18    Pelkas     884,000 
    19    Biseswar     1,300,000 
    20    El Kaddouri     1,400,000 
    21    Stoch     1,700,000 
    22    Lambrou     433,000 
    23    Jaba     1,000,000 
    24    Limnios     181,000 
    25    Vieirinha     2,400,000 
    26    Mystakidis     208,000 
    27    Gaitanidis     139,000 
    28    Swiderski     693,000
    29    Akpom     1,400,000

  3. I don't pretend to understand Yankee politics but what happened in the last few weeks ?  Sanders was made out to be a shoo-in and Biden wasn't even on the map.  Now all of a sudden Biden is the man.  What has Biden done to change things up so suddenly ?

    And more importantly, are either of them capable of beating Trump ?  Don't call me an idiot.  You guys are the ones that have him as a president. 😁

  4. Agree paokarag4.  At first I couldn't stomach the idea of the play offs but I think in hindsight given how few teams are competitive and have a decent fan base and budget it's a good thing overall.

    As for the league this season, I find it hard to believe the play offs will be played given what's happening with covid-19.  I think the title will (and should) go to Olympiakos given they were 7 points clear at the end of the standard home and away season.

  5. 300 cases here in Australia.  The numbers are increasing steadily and now the question remains are the measures taken so far going to be enough to stop the country going into lock down.  The worst case scenario for the government is having the hospital system overwhelmed so they are definitely (but grudgingly) trying to make sure that doesn't happen.  I guess we'll know more in the coming days and weeks.

    I leave you with an article that could've come from the middle ages.  What can you say.



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  6. So what exactly is Savvidis meant to do to stop the -7 points ?  Does he have to sell some of these so called shares owned by someone related to him ?

  7. 2 minutes ago, Blackhawk said:

    For now. You and the Olympiakos will come out and say they did us a favor for not relegating us. If I was PAOK I would demand relegation.

    Stuff relegation.  Just do what Larisa did in 87 and blockade the entire f--king city.

  8. I still don't understand what this PAOK Xanthi thing is actually about.  Anyway, it wouldn't be a normal season for us if we weren't deducted points.  Long live POK.

    Assuming the points deduction sticks, does it apply to this season, next season, or every season from now until the heat death of the universe ?

    I would be amused to hear how they actually arrived at these numbers.


  9. Puts kettle on to boil, checks livescore.com to see the score.  F--k 0-1 down already.  You serious.

    Makes coffee.  Checks score again.  You gotta be kidding me.  0-2.  YOU SERIOUS.

    Has a shower.  Gets dressed.  Checks score.  2-2.  Good lord what is happening.

    Anyway, good and bad from today.

    The good :-

    The team showed character and didn't fold.  If you're gonna go down, go down f--king swinging.

    - Mihaj seems to have had a decent game.  I see no reason why he shouldn't get more game time.

    - The score although not ideal at least gives us something to work with in the return leg.

    The bad :-

    - As pointed out by our Dutch correspondent our set piece defending is quite bad.  Cisse could have buried us.  Olympiacos didn't have to really work the ball through gaps.  All they had to do was put in crosses and it was half a goal.  Why we allow them to cross and overlap on the flanks with such ease I have no idea.  At least make them work for their goals ffs.

    - Paschalakis.  No idea what's happened to this guy.  Right now he's no good for the team.

    - Biseswar.  Not sure why Abel insists on playing him so often.  Last season he was never a guaranteed starter.  This kept him fresh.  I don't know if this was deliberate by Lucescu or not but either way it's obvious Biseswar can't handle playing constantly and gives more when rotated appropriately.  This guy is being wasted.

    - Defending on set pieces.

    - And finally, defending on set pieces.

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  10. 10 hours ago, bluevertigo said:

    Abel, Abel....is it possible to get worse?!

    Certainly!  And with this result it's fair to say the title race is 95% over.  Can't see how Olympiakos will drop 7 points and that's assuming we win every game which is unlikely to the extreme.  To be fair the team has been fairly meh all year.  Not terrible but not anywhere near like last season.  The team has suffered all round this season.  From GK and defense everyone is down a gear or two.  The midfield even though we spent 5+ million is worse.  Gimme Shakhov and Canas any day.  At least they had some fight in them.  Everyone was happy to see Prijovic go but we've never replaced him.  No physical presence up front.

    For now Abel it is.  Let's see what he can make of it.  Even if we could off load him (extremely unlikely) who can you get now and can you be sure they'll be better.  I'm not happy with Abel but I don't want anyone else.  Except Lucescu of course.  Why we didn't sign Lucescu for 5 years I'll never know.  M-a-l-a-k-a yios tou Savvidi.

    What I hope to see is a general improvement in the team over the play offs and move into the pre-season on something of a high.  There are still many question marks over the squad.  Add to that the fact we can't spend unless we make a decent sale and things become even tougher.  I hope Abel changes things up next season.  I don't expect him to change too much for the remainder of this season.

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  11. 15 hours ago, pash said:

    I agree. I am no more annoyed with Ferreira than I am with some of Lucescu's stupid calls. Every coach has their issues; Ferreira had to come in to a terrible situation at the last second.

    Remember, it wasn't that long ago that we had a revolving door of subpar coaches and a struggle to hit 3rd place. We are light years ahead of where we once were.

    Stop being reasonable.  It doesn't agree with being a Greek.

  12. All our signings have been duds.  Maybe a bit harsh but considering roughly 7.5 million was spent on Augusto, Esiti and Stoch you can't say they've been successful signings.  I would've thought 2 out of the 3 minimum would be first team players.  We need to do better with our transfers in the summer.

  13. Unsurprising result.  Almost every player in the squad is down one or two levels from last season.

    I don't want to get rid of Abel because I'm not confident we'll find better but if Lucescu was to come back I'd give Abel a bunch of flowers and show him the door.  He seems to lack common sense.  Maybe he thinks he's playing a video game.

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