Argy
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33 minutes ago, Ellada2004 said:
Bakasetas starting again!! Come on JVS
Bakasetas has been one of the worst players I've ever witnessed for the NT. A disgrace. I can't recall a good sequence, let alone a good game. Donis and Fetfa benched for Bakasetas. JVC that is shameful.
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2 minutes ago, Ellada2004 said:
This was the main reason why we didn't qualify. All these injuries and the worst being Fortounis out for the final six qualifying matches which ruined our hopes.
Agreed. All this mess stemmed from injuries to Fortounis and to a lesser extent Donis. That coupled with stubborn selections and poor tactics, it all went downhill fast.
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22 hours ago, Jimmyp said:
Good. We don’t need any egos on this team. I applaud the coach for doing so. Vlacho is very over rated anyway.
It's time to stop blaming egos and painting every who plays on a big club as problematic.
When a team is losing, it is natural that the more established players of better quality get frustrated with at ones unable to keep up. After a while, that frustration boils over into ego and bad vibes around the team. Our NT failed because of the lack of quality in most positions, bad tactics and player selection. The sentiment that followed was to be expected.
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5 hours ago, kbxk508 said:
So the real reason Vlachodimos wasn't picked in the Italy match was due to a rib injury, which will keep him out of the Bosia match. Meaning our no. 1 and no. 2 goalies are both out injured.
This is consistent with our no. 1 and no. 2 in every other position being left out or injured. This is truly Greece's C-team at best. Some of the players being fielded today by Van't Ship would objectively be 5th or 6th in the depth chart in their position.
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42 minutes ago, Bardouuu said:
serious question, why all the praise for donis? I keep reading people asking for him and rating him highly, I haven't actually watched him play but it doesn't seem like he's killing it in Germany or any of the teams he played with in the last couple of years. The only impressive thing I can identify is his Juventus upbringing. I really would like this question answered.
He was good at Nice, had some good spurts at Stuttgart and now is at Reims. In the context of our forward situation, no one has the pace and prowess of Donis other than Fetfa on a good day, but they are different players. The fact that he plays and is developing abroad is postive. Injuries have not helped his case. You are right, however, that he hasn't necessarily earned the praise. Remember, this is all within the Greek NT context, and no present forward has really shown more promise at U23.
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We are arguably missing our 3 best players in Sokratis, Manolas and Fortounis. I'm unhappy with the timing of the omissions, but I like the rest of the callups and I'm excited to see the product. Will be more excited if Donis and Fetfa get the start, as they are the only difference makers on the team in my opinion.
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2 hours ago, paokarag4 said:
Apparently Torosidis is retiring.
Interesting to see whether Sokratis and Manolas is a permanent thing or they are being left out because we have conceded we aren't qualifying for Euro 2020 and they've asked to be left out to focus on their club form/fitness
I truly hope a conversation has been had and this decision is, if not mutual, understood by all parties.
Sokratis is tired, is in his thirties and has already contemplated retirement. Manolas has an ego. I am afraid we have seen the last of these two, who were, in the Greek NT context, generational players, especially considering the next competitive matches are in an entire calendar year.
Sad.
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I don't know everything said and done behind closed, but I do not agree with this move.
Despite the fact that Sokratis and Manolas were pierced for Liechtenstein goal, these results were not their fault. These are two generational players for Greece, and treating them like this is a disgrace. Yes, our recent form is also a disgrace, I will say it before anyone else responds, but bad tactics and execution, along with lack of depth and talent in key positions are the culprits here.
Desperate long-balls, aimless crosses, lazy back-passes, refusal to take on players, inability to enter the opposing box, lack of finishing, etc, cannot be blamed on the centre backs.
This is a bold move from the manager. I hope we don't see the last of Sokratis and Manolas, but with the next competitive games being in an entire calendar year, I am afraid we will.
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Mallen is already being linked to major clubs. Great to see our boy up there.
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HIs start to the season has been shaky, but the Arsenal backline continues to be decimated with injury and David Luiz has been underwhelming as a partner. He has never had the luxury of a fully healthy backline.
Emery says he is resting Sokratis tomorrow as he won't suit up for the EL match vs Frankfurt.
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He doesn't even have a place on the bench at Leverkusen. It will be an uphill battle for him to get fit and earn a spot after this brutal injury.
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Greece absolutely dominated this game despite their horrendous form.
They lost due to a combination of a lack of execution, too many hopeful long-balls and back-passed (what's new?) and plain old bad luck. No reason to miss out on 3 points today though.
Fetfa was a big positive and I'm happy to see him back in the fold. Should be one of the first names on the game sheet at this point.
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12 minutes ago, Ellada2004 said:
Greece should have bagged 5 goals. Was thinking that exactly when Koulouris hit the bar. Mitro would have finished. Also why does he pull of Fetfa at 1-0?
Fetfa was pulled for nothing. He had just come off one of the best plays in the game and almost scoring. I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't see the field vs Italy or Bosnia.
Is Vrousai the new Bakasetas?
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Just when you think we couldn't go any lower, today happens. This hole may take 20 years to climb out of.
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I am happy to see Fetfa. Like I said before, he didn't pan out like we all hoped, but he was the only player to give a new dimension to the NT. I have not seen anyone run at and challenge defenders like he did back in the day, and I am hoping to see that again vs Liechtenstein.
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1 minute ago, Soprano76 said:
What is this obsession with Barkas? Odisseas plays for Benfica, a perennial UCL team.
I agree. I mean, everyone should earn their place, but Vlachodimos should have gotten this start.
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14 minutes ago, Omonoia9 said:
How about this? Armenia just beat Bosnia-Herzegovina 4-2!
What's going on in Yerevan!?
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On 9/6/2019 at 3:22 AM, Alphonse said:
I say fire the players! If some of these guys wanna hold the ball for 2 mins and pass it backwards or sideways all the time, they are not for International football
We will still see back passes.
It isn't the quality of the opponent that forces the back pass, it's the lack of quality of the system.
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On 9/6/2019 at 7:50 AM, jason said:
I think the mistake was trying to make this team play a possession game when its not possible. Van Schip hasen't been coaching long enough to change the football culture. Also a lot of our players struggle with one touch soccer so its going to take time. I think for us we should have adopted a counter attacking style where we absorb a little pressure and quickly transition as this creates space that we just cant do with our current midfield. Sitting Tsimikas was bad choice as he can create chances on the wing. Also Koulouris had zero ball service so cant blame him...
I would have even played Koutris opposite to Tsimikas and see if that would work as Torosides is non factor nowadays. Bottom line Greece is not a place that develops players currently so why are we surprised?
Our players are not able to play possession football, for not at least.
Instead they have perfected the arts of back-passing, wishful long-balls and hope-for-the-best crosses in from the wings.
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1 hour ago, paokarag4 said:
I think it's fair to say if Fortounis and Donis are playing we probably win that game. Fortounis obviously out of our control but I can't agree with the logic of not calling up Donis. He isn't fit? Neither is Torosidis, they both have played the same mins this seasons a big fat zero. The difference is we sorely lack creativity and especially with Fortounis injured you don't leave Donis out.
Managers for this NT have been fielding "in form" players for the last 5 years and the results have been horrifying. I will take a bench player playing and training in France, Germany, Italy and Portugal over Bakasetas, Bouchalakis, Kourbelis, Kolovos and Pelkas any day.
Donis being left out is a disgrace. He should have been starting.
I have never been the biggest Mitroglou supporter, but when he's healthy, you take him and hold the card for a super sub.
Fetfa on the bench and not even asked to warm up down 1-0? Manager was warming up defensive midfielders and left the only player on the bench that can ask questions of that Finnish league backline. Absurdity.
The wasted sub on cramped up Torosidis could have been used for another attacking player. That was a big blow as well.
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Just now, georgelaz said:
Tsimikas should've started. He's been in great form for champions league olympiakos
also, we didn't start our 4 best attacking third palyers Donis, Mitroglou, Fetfatzidis, Fortounis (Injury).
Exactly, Donis and Mitroglou not even called up? Fetfa not even warmed up and considered for 10 minutes? As if we have better players in the fold. We do not.
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9 minutes ago, Soprano76 said:
Kolovos scores 1 flukey header and now he's a permanent fixture in the squad.
Somehow Tsimikas, who tore it up in UCL qualys, is on the bench in favor of Stafylidis.
Toro, the old man who is barely a bench player at Oly, earns a start.
Vrousai, some Albanian nobody, earns a start.
Exactly on Kolovos. He was good for 20 minutes vs Bosnia, then make him a super-sub, not a permanent fixture. He sucks unfortunately.
Toro is bad and out of shape. He had cramps in both legs and we wasted an important sub on him late in the game.
I hate to beat an old drum, and I get that he is not what we thought would pan out, but for god's sake, give Fetfa 10 minutes so he can run at those Finnish league defenders and maybe force a play. He was one of the only player the coach didn't even warm up. Are the forwards at our disposal that much better?
What an utter failure.
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Another campaign failed prematurely. Losing to subpar opposition.
FInland was lucky to win, but we are a dreadful team nonetheless.
Sokratis will retire in 2 months and a major piece of this generation will be gone. We have no players of this calibre in the ranks.
As for the game, Greece is very slow. All they are good at is passing the ball back. Their crosses and long-balls stink as always. There is no hope for this team.
They coulnd't even give us meaningful games in october and november the cowards.
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Word is he is in the midst of a transfer to Reims in France. Not a high profile club, but upper mid-table and ambitious in Ligue 1, where Donis had success during his time with Nice. I believe this would be a clear upgrade from Stuttgart, who are higher profile, but were relegated to 2. Bundesliga.
EDIT: It's official.
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Greece vs. Bosnia-Herzegovina ( 15 Oct. 2019, Olympic Stadium, Athens )
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I can see us getting smacked today worse than vs Italy. We have a history with Bosnia and they are out for blood. They are also desperate for the points and came off a big win vs Finland. JVS's backline that he is fielding today is comically bad.