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  1. athinaios

    Daily Team News [ 2018 ]

    I agree with you, the price is low enough and fans should keep attending.I wish I were in Greece because I would attend often this season; our team is playing well and doing well. But, I'm not sure I'd bring the family though, not yet. And, that's what they have to do..... they have to make it enjoyable for everyone, not the hooligans. I may sound old, but we had this discussion here over the last 15 years... (geesh, that's a long time)..... The organized may be able to create noise and a "good atmosphere" during games, but over all, in my opinion, they have harmed the club in so many ways. Anyway, I do see some progress and I hope it's ongoing, and the club gets the support it needs. Cheers.
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    Daily Team News [ 2018 ]

    ^^^^ I hear what you say, but I think the worst treatment has been given to the fans. I'm not talking about the meatheads who see this as a way to express the frustrations by destroying property or attacking other fans. I'm talking about someone who loves the sport and their team, has a job, perhaps wants to bring a child/family to the game. This is the power base of a successful sports club, the people who can afford to spend for tickets, food, merch, and to have a good experience. Not the hooligans. But, how and why should such a valuable fan go to a game nowadays? Why should they go when it's a hassle and their safety could be threatened? Then we're talking about the credibility, legitimacy of the league..... [what a shame to invite foreigners to officiate games..... tsk] oh boy..... People react to and buy into something of value. And, it's not like the 20th century when choices for entertainment for the masses were limited. Nowadays, there is lots more available to everyone. The bottom line is the experience & memories someone gets from buying into such opportunities. There has to be good value there. I think fewer and fewer people see this sport as a valued experience--- the situation in Greek football for a long while now has been appalling. Also, as a good behaving fan, I should not suffer because some meatheads go ahead and do shitty stuff. I don't understand why the authorities & clubs allow such things to happen. It'd be inconceivable to punish a team here in the US because some 10-50 stupid fans did something wrong. They're identified, punished, and banned from attending games.
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    Daily Team News [ 2018 ]

    No, he won't hold 50% of the total shares. He got 50% of Alafouzos' shares. Nonetheless, this is a b.s. deal, especially because both sides are not transparent and no clear plan for the future. I never thought the Thai guy cared about PAO. He and others he represents, plus Alafouzo are looking to do other business and are using the club to pressure the gov. Given the small Greek market and the big budgets required to compete in Europe, only some real PAO fan with lots of money should take over the club. I don't think there are many who'd do this though. Even Savidis is using PAOK to get business in Greece. He's losing money with the club, but he can afford to. Anyone who's buddies with Putin is loaded.
  4. Oh, I can ..elevate that. In my company, the women hired must be pretty and willing to please me. Please don't object, it's my religious belief and I have a right to run my own company by it. If you ask, I'd be willing to serve on the supreme court, because I am a moral person that goes to church every Sunday, and my thoughts & prayers (only) are with the victims of gun massacres. 👹
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    Trump Is Not the Problem, the DNC is

    Well, first, try to speak directly to the man, not his press agent. Second, anyone who is able to lounge around and dabble in philosophy, has no job, is well-connected (if not the same entity) to the master of the universe, I'd say he is not of the common class.
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    Trump Is Not the Problem, the DNC is

    My royal family told me that if it weren't for the leaders, thinkers, and revolutionaries of the upper classes, humanity would still be in the Dark Ages. Did I learn it wrong?
  7. athinaios

    PAO League Games 2018-2019

    Agreed. Those 3 (Ast. Atro. Aris) teams are our competitors this season. To be honest I didn't know what to expect this season. I thought that with the -6 points, it wasn't a remote possibility that we'd struggle to remain in first div. Now I feel much more confident so my expectations are higher.
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    PAO League Games 2018-2019

    Most probably, we won't be starting a new thread for each league game, so I'm doing one for the whole current season. I think it's worth discussing how this team has done 3 for 3, and if I may say so, convincingly. Against Larissa today, PAO got its first 3 points by winning 3-1, with 2 beautiful goals by Johanson. It's a very long season ahead and anything could happen, but if we already had 6 points (as we should have), it'd be a different championship this season. I still think the other big 3 teams are stronger but we could be the surprising Leicester of Greece.
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    PAO League Games 2018-2019

    PAO beats PAS 2-1 after being down one controversial goal. I thought it was a foul against Dioudis. But, the team plays on its game and prevails with 2 great goals. OK. We're all excited with the 5x5, but we haven't played the top contenders for euro spot yet. I include AEK, PAOK, OSFP, Atromitos, Asteras, and even Aris. I'm hoping for a top 5 finish to get rid of the UEFA penalty this season. This coming Wednesday we have a cup game. Come to think of it, doesn't the cup winner get a euro spot? How about if the winner is also the champion or second, does the cup finalist get a euro spot?
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    PAO League Games 2018-2019

    Alafouzos is re-evaluating his future at PAO. He used the bad financial situation and all the other restrictions to reduce the budget drastically. He gambled with the club's reputation and came very, very close to destruction. It was unconscionable. PAO was saved because of the charity of other owners... and political graft. Now the team, unexpectedly, is doing well, so if attendance remains high, the club will be profitable! No need for Alafouzo to get rid of the club now, especially after he put several millions in the last 6 months. Having a healthy financial footing and making money (even if they break even) is a good position to be in. Why sell? Plus, there might be more money coming if talent develops and sold for good money in the near future. As far as Leoforo, DG has to agree to give it up because it doesn't belong to the football club. DG wants OAKA or another home, so if he gets that, he'll give up Leoforos. I hope if anyone has a sense of history and keeping important places alive, they should turn Leoforos into a nice mini park with a PAO museum. Make it an attraction, green space, something but apts or stores.
  11. athinaios

    PAOK vs AEK

    Last year's AEK team was stronger in my opinion. What did you expect playing away against a PAOK team that's the strongest in many, many years?
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    SL–R4: PAOK - AEK (23-Sep-18, 20:30 EEST)

    PAOK has a very strong team this year. Good luck. (except of course when playing PAO). I think if PAOK wins the most points in the derbies, they'll win the title. It'll be good for the sport too. Plus, this is your best chance.... In a year, Panatha will be tops!😅🤞
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    PAO League Games 2018-2019

    Amazing. 4x4 while the team shows quality. One thing that may be trouble is that at Larisa and today the team deflates in the second half. I understand that it may be necessary not to push this young team to maximum, because it's not like we have a deep bench. I think we have a cup game on Wed or Thu for the cup, and another one on Sat against PAS
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    Trump Is Not the Problem, the DNC is

    If Melania was holding on to a fig leaf of denial, she can't hide any longer, if SD's description is accurate.
  15. athinaios

    PAO League Games 2018-2019

    Nah, the 6 points for us and 2 for PAOK aren't coming back. But, does anyone know if PAO pays all the debts by year's end, can UEFA withdraw the penalty (one year ban)?
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    Trump Presidency

    Friends, It's been a week since the US general election, and a new page in American politics has started. Let's put the other thread to rest, because it escalated into personal attacks, so let's respectfully discuss the new president's tenure and related matters here. Let's remind ourselves that the point of this forum is to welcome a diversity of people and ideas, and to have a good time, even when we disagree with others; and, it'll be fun, because we'll be having a civilized discussion, right?... So, president-elect Trump.... We'll be watching but who can say what he'll actually do? How do you judge his first moves and statements?
  17. athinaios

    PAO League Games 2018-2019

    You're right, it's more enjoyable to watch this team now than in the past many years. I think the players are trying their hardest, and they know that if a bad result comes, it won't be the end of the world. I just hope Donis above all handles the youngsters well. If, as it seems, PAO will be relying on its youth talent, those who deserve to play should, and not some primadona who transfers into the club. And PAO should not start to have a sell out of young talent. I don't know if they do it by design now, but it's good that the club didn't have to face the other 3 big teams this early. It's been a confidence booster to win 3 straight games to start the season.
  18. athinaios

    Trump Is Not the Problem, the DNC is

    You're right about all the above. It shows you that when the parties opened up their nomination (selection) process to the average voters they lost control of the nominating process. This can be good, but in the case of Trump, bad. In a crowded field someone who manages to get a core support of 20-25% can get the nomination as the rest of the field splits the 75% of the vote. Also, in winner-takes-all system (first horse to cross the line), wins all the delegates from a state, you can see how Trump managed to get the nomination. It's very hard for any party to eventually not accept as their nominee the candidate who has at least the plurality of the delegates. Trump did. Though Trump actually appealed to a greater conservative/nativist/xtian nationalist audience, which is a huge part of the GOP. Obama had the plurality of pledged (won) delegates, but even the super delegates couldn't vote to overturn this in favor of Clinton in 2008 in the end. In NYS the more progressive Dem voters showed up, and defeated many conservative Dems. We saw ...socialists defeating incumbents who spent millions of dollars unsuccessfully. [To tout my own horn, the NYT quoted me last week, again] Yes, there's been an increasing polarization between the 2 major parties since the 1980s, and turnout of the party's supporters is the key to outcomes.
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    Trump Presidency

    Well, I was pointing out that those, for example, who care a lot about the environment (Jill Stein/Green party), they had a choice--given the US "polarized" electoral system that either a Dem or Repub is elected)--to get the environmental policies of Trump and the Repubs or the policies of HRC and the Dems. And, yes, in my opinion, no one should be elected in position of power that doesn't believe in science. Yeah, that the last 2 worst prez courtecy of the lunatics in the Repub party. And, the worst judges for the Supreme Court! (that also makes decisions about your life) In 2000, if you were voting in FLA you had a choice, Gore-Bush-Nader. (Nader the Green party candidate). By voting for Nader, you elected Bush. So Bush screwed the environment, screwed science [we'd be years ahead had he not killed stem cell research], screwed FEMA (Emergency ..mismanagement during Katrina), screwed the economy (it was 10 years ago when the US market collapsed), gave tax breaks to the very rich and ballooned the deficit. Oh, and he got us into the Iraq war on lies. Yes, elections have consequences about politics and values you care about.
  20. athinaios

    Trump Presidency

    I don't mind if we disagree on policy or ideology, but not seeing the obvious is disturbing and frustrating. We in New York (and not only) knew Trump and, unless you were connected to him, we found him a disgusting person. He was known as a grafter, a con man. But, get a major party label after your name and things change. You don't have to have 2 extremes in order to make a choice. I have fun talking to libertarians and environmentalists nowadays who voted either for Johnson or Stein. In other words, in addition to the Clinton - Trump choice, there were huge differences in policies. So, for those who voted Johnson or Stein, congratulations on electing someone who is totally against your principles. If HRC had been elected, at least we'd have a reality-based approach to foreign policy, environment, science, health care, education, urban development, etc, etc
  21. athinaios

    Trump Presidency

    I don't think the "slippery slope" principle is good in many real-life situations. We must recognize gradations. Same with almost everything else in life. In addition, we have to learn to recognize the false equivalency trap--that everything is of equal value or offense. For example, lying about a sexual affairs (or having a bad headache when you told others "I'm fine") is not the same as lying on a witness stand on a capital case. Anyway, there have to be standards; it's matters a lot in civil society. For me it's: evidence and reason. Sadly, too many people aren't familiar with logical arguments, and what constitutes evidence. Obviously, we don't have to have courtroom standards in everything we do, but we always have to filter out noise and idiotic arguments if we are to have a decent dialogue going. And, this is the point: how can we have a reasonable dialogue if everything goes?..... So, sure, let anyone say what they want--in the public square and on their own domains. But if you have a medium, a forum, a classroom, etc, you have to start enforcing certain standards!
  22. athinaios

    Daily Team News [ 2018 ]

    I still think Leoforos was more appropriate for the club. Drawing few thousand fans to OAKA will feel empty and cold. The team will struggle this season, and a strong home would mean a lot. Awh, well.... Does anyone know if the team will be allowed transfers in January?
  23. athinaios

    Trump Presidency

    I get that you're in favor of free expression, and like a true progressive you want to allow for challenges to the "prevailing wisdom." That's good. I'm in favor of that too. However.....a good argument has to be articulated on the grounds of reason and evidence. In the past, and in all authoritarian regimes, this standard was not adhered to, and that's why traditional societies were hard to change, because the status quo didn't want change. I could even argue that the danger of authoritarianism increases if we dispose of such standards, because then every opinion is perceived of equal value. Like "the leader" would say, "trust me" not the fake...whatever. People don't know what to believe. Let's say you're a teacher and you're having a discussion in a classroom, while trying to teach your students about rational/critical thinking, evaluating sources, analyzing issues. What standards would you adhere to?... How much time would you give to student Alex Jones?... The common currency of understanding (and of debating) has to be reason and evidence; we have to preserve this standard. The arguments we witnessed here a couple years ago were of the Alex Jones/Info Wars type..... And, that every crazy idea and every conspiracy merited exposure and discussion on this forum... And, that became a demand, much like AJ is now screaming about it when he's being kicked out of media places. Everybody has a right to their opinion but not to their own facts.
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    Trump Presidency

    I don't know if you guys remember a couple years ago when we had people here who were spewing the Info Wars (Alex Jones) garbage, like arsonists.... We had to make a decision to stop this nonsense that did not contribute to the discussion in a rational and civil manner. Apparently ..our action is now also being taken by many news aggregates and distributors. After Alex Jones’ Infowars got the boot from Apple’s Podcasts app Sunday evening when the company removed five of the six Infowars podcasts from the platform, Spotify followed suit and removed the Alex Jones Show from its podcast channel, too. From there the purge broadened: Facebook moved to “unpublish” four Infowars pages—not just individual posts, as it had previously done—saying that they had violated its community standards. Then the Google-owned YouTube banned the Alex Jones Channel, which counted 2.4 million followers at the time. [Source] I'm an ardent defender of the free speech, but this doesn't mean anyone has a right to oblige others to listen to him or use others' media to spread stupidity, ignorance, and hate.
  25. Fire is inevitable, including deadly occurrences in populated areas, but how societies organize themselves matters a lot. In corrupt systems, with a long history of bad laws, poor enforcement of good laws, and a culture of weak civic duty, bad things turn into disasters. In the Attiki fire, everything that could go wrong did. From the person who decided to burn stuff on their property to the gov response to individual actions. Unfortunately, catastrophes like this one (fire or flood) happen too often and very little is done to prevent the next one. This picture is an example of a bad practice.... from the enforcement of traffic code to the car owners who don't think (or care) about allowing a way for emergency vehicles, or an evacuation to pass.... Cars parked on both sides of a street..... and, then cars meet face to face with nowhere to go.
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